The Most Horrific EVP Ever Recorded

[PPI Brian]

On a recent investigation, the Central New York Ghost Hunters (CNYGH) captured and EVP that is apparently very disturbing. Click the link below for the whole story:
http://paranormal.about.com/od/ghostaudiovideo/a/aa101507.htm?nl=1

[Brian Johnson]

That EVP kind of sounds like what David caught, on one of our trips to San Ysidro.

[PPI Brian]

I would assume that EVPs such as these are residual. Any thoughts?

[SPRISandro]

I agree brian,

This evp in particular does appear, and sound to be residual.

[Denele]

That was pretty horrible!! It sounded like a woman being attacked for a few seconds

[jp3white]

holy crap at first!
there's a lot of banging, whipping, screeching sounds
some sounds of a loud squeeking door vs screaming.

[ttjoon]

It is disturbing, to say the least.

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

Now imagine getting that EVP in your house.......

[ttjoon]

First....EVP's in your own home......SNOPE!   :o

I will tell you however, that if I found that EVP in my own home, I would have to quote Jason Hawes: "When in doubt, GET THE HELL OUT"!

In other words.....I would no longer be the owner of that home!

[PPI Karl]

Sometimes it depends on whether or not you have captured the voices of spirits attached to your home.  Perhaps this is why EVP evidence is so prolific, but it's my personal feeling that a good many of the voices we capture are of spirits passing through:  transient entities, if you will.  The contextual responses that imply they've been sticking around and getting used to one location are often clearer and more directed; the one's that are weaker and kind of random are the equivalent to the voices of passing travelers walking to their gate at the airport.

I've done EVP work in my own home, and I have found evidence, but I've never caught the same voices twice (except for possibly one of a young woman).  To be honest, this is a little disappointing to me, because I would like to believe that certain loved ones are still hanging around, but I have no evidence of that as yet.

I almost hate to bring this up because some have a hard time putting the thought out of their heads that transient spirits are around us continuously--looking at us in the shower, or disapproving of us spreading an extra tablespoon of mayonnaise on our sandwiches--but it's no worse than getting used to the idea of a god looking in at you at any given moment, or Santa Clause seeing you when you're sleeping or seeing you when you're awake.  If it bothers you, think of it more in the context of Gaia:  the planet is alive, and she's aware of you because you matter to her, and she's diminished without you as a living, breathing, conscious part of her, and all the departed are a part of her as well, and you move autonomously as a living being through the collective essence of all that is no longer living.

Anyway, that keeps me sane about it.

[PPI Karl]

On the matter of the EVP, I don't know what the group has done to discount other possibile explanations, so my "best guess" is not worth much, but on first listen, I think a lot of this noise is hyperamplified sound from the environment.  Case in point:  that high pitched screaming is most definitely a squeaky door, nothing more.  That calls everything else into question.  My guess is that they've put the audio recorder somewhere on a surface (maybe a floor) where every little sound magnifies and reverberates a hundredfold. 

If we had caught this, I don't think we'd have gone public with it. 

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

I agree Karl, I think that there are transient spirits, ones that are attached to places, and even some that are attached to people.  So it is entierly possibe you could get an EVP voice and it was only there that one time.  On the other side of the spectrum, you could get something, get freaked out and move, and it could follow you.

I really really hate EVP's from situations where you were not there.  You don't know the voices of the investigators, you don't know the enviroment, you don't know what was just caught on the EVP and what was heard normally.  For example, like you said that scream sounded liek a squeaky door, which I will admit.  However, if you were there, you would know if there were any squeaky doors, if anybody was opening doors, and would have heard that door at the same time as the "scream."

I't really hard to look at a really long EVP like this one without being there.  We can only hope that the group reporting it is reputable and already tried to debunk such things as squeaky doors.

[PPI Karl]

I agree with everything you've said, Michael.  Just my gut instinct tells me this is not everything they're claiming it to be.  I've got years to go before I have enough experience to pretend I could make an absolutely certain judgment, but in the experience I've had so far, EVPs just don't sound like this--residual or not.   My theory:  they occur in snippets because they depend on sources of energy to manifest--energy which runs out quickly and causes the EVP to truncate or encourages the spirit to speak in as brief and succinct a manner possible.  (They're kind of like hummingbirds that way.  Awww.  What a pretty metaphor. )  And long, sustained EVP like this, with events as loud as this, just make me suspicious.  I'm not discounting the possibility it's real; as you say, we don't know enough about the conditions under which it was captured or the integrity of the group behind it, which mean everything.  However, the voices on this recording set off a little voice of my own, and it's telling me to be more than skeptical.

They ought to make a movie about me:  I Am Curmudgeon.

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

I 100% agree with that Karl.  My amateur theory on EVP's is that these entities don't have vocal cords, so are forced to use "energy" to communicate.  That energy could be an imprint on a magentic tape, or a digital recording.  If a spirit has enough energy, it can move objects or manifest.  If it has less energy, it can make sounds that you can hear with the naked ear.  I believe it is at the absolute lowest energy levels that EVP's occur.  That is why most EVP's are quick and unclear, there almost isn't enough energy to make them happen.

So under that theory, a very long EVP like this one seems unlikely.  If there is enough energy for an EVP of that length, why wasn't there "other" incidents?  To use an analogy, if I was stranded on a deserted island and had a match and 20 pieces of wood.  If a ship was passing by, would I make 20 small fires or one big one?  Logic says that if I was trying to get attention, I would get far more with a big bonfire.

However Karl consider this, I think I found a way that this could be real and we could still be right at the same time.  Everything we have said so far makes total sense when dealing with an "Intelligent" haunt, yet I think under certain circumstances you could get a "residual" EVP that could be really long. 

Let's talk residual theories for a seconds.  Many people think that residual haunts are sort of paranormal pictures playing over and over again, no actual "spirits" are really involved.  Some say certain mineral deposits or crystals can lend to becoming imprinted, and under certain conditions they can play back such imprints.  This has some merit to it because look at phonographs, harddrives and other types of impriniting that takes place. 

Now I have a theory about residual haunts, this is by no means a conclusive or accurate theory, but it is something to think about.  Let's say that Limestone is this paranormal recording device, not saying it is, but let's run with that.  Now under certain conditions, let's say it reverbs at it's resonant frequency from a seismic event, now at the same time, there is a certain amount of energy in the air, static electricity, or whatever.  I am just making these factors up, I don't know if that is what really causes them.  However, in this case, the length of the resonation equal how long the imprint is and the amount of energy in the air equals the strengtyh of the imprint.

This end result of "length" of event and "strength" of event I am sure about, we just don't know what causes them.  Since most residual haunts are brief quick incidents, let's assume that the recording window is normally short, in my example, the Limestone only resonates so long.  Since residual haunts can vary greatly in "strength," that parameter is more variance.  You may get just get an evp or a full blown apparition.  The reason that residual haunts don't play over and over constantly is that the same factors in some extent need to exist in order to trigger the playback.

So going this this theory let's go with some examples of varying duration and strengths, which we KNOW exist.

Low Duration & Low Strength:  Quick rough class C EVP.
Low Duration & Medium Strength: Quick loud class A EVP or a quick knock on a door.
Low Duration & High Strength:  Very fast full body appartion.

Med Duration & Low Strength:  Class C EVP that goes on for a bit, seems like a sentance.
Med Duration & High Strength:  The sound of footsteps walking down the hall.
Med Duration & High Strength:  A full body apparition that seems to do some action and is there for a second.

Long Duration & Low Strength: A very very long EVP, of the type that this post is about.
Long Duration & Med Strength: A very long medium level incident, Class A EVP or say the sounds of music playing for a long time.
Long Duration & High Strength: Seeing a group of apparitions dance around a ballroom for minutes (been reported at the Stanley hotel.)

Now obviously, these are not firm limits and such, there is great variance between and slippage between them.  I believe the "long duration" ones are the rarest type, meaning the "imprinting window" isn't there very long. 

However, under certain conditions, I think you could get a residual evp that lasts as long as this one did.  Like I said before though, I doubt on an intelligent haunt, you would get it.  If it had that much energy, why waste it at low level stuff.

[PPI Brian]

Here's a youtube clip with two very disturbing EVPs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8ZHcna1wg

The second EVP is much more chilling than the one that started this thread. It is also consistent with the history of this location, and is even substantiated by court transcripts.

Thoughts anyone?

[ttjoon]

Here's a youtube clip with two very disturbing EVPs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8ZHcna1wg

Thoughts anyone?

What is most interesting to me is not the clip at all, but the owner of this house.  This guy is some Hollywood producer.  He has been trying to sell that house for quite some time.  I have a friend who used to be with a certain local paranormal group. Apparently, this guy was soliciting all sorts of different groups, including hers, to come and do investigations. He would call the media right before an investigation to see if they were interested in covering it. According to my friend who actually did investigate his house, this guy's main concern was for them to deem his house haunted so it would sell for a higher price.  What is also interesting is the way Jay is looking at this guy for most of the reveal.  It's like he knows what this guy is up to.  Watch it again and just notice Jay's body language and the look on his face throughout.

[PPI Karl]

Here's a youtube clip with two very disturbing EVPs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8ZHcna1wg

Thoughts anyone?

What is most interesting to me is not the clip at all, but the owner of this house.  This guy is some Hollywood producer.  He has been trying to sell that house for quite some time.  I have a friend who used to be with a certain local paranormal group. Apparently, this guy was soliciting all sorts of different groups, including hers, to come and do investigations. He would call the media right before an investigation to see if they were interested in covering it. According to my friend who actually did investigate his house, this guy's main concern was for them to deem his house haunted so it would sell for a higher price.  What is also interesting is the way Jay is looking at this guy for most of the reveal.  It's like he knows what this guy is up to.  Watch it again and just notice Jay's body language and the look on his face throughout.

I remember this episode very, very well.  I watched it intently several times over because we were expecting someone who used to be with our group to be "featured" on the show (but, as it turned out, they weren't).

My visceral reaction to the man claiming the Manson victims were haunting his home was that there was something too eager, too badly acted about his shock and enthusiasm.  I didn't trust him, and Chris Fleming's appearance didn't reassure me that this was anything but a contrived media stunt in which Jay and Grant were forced to participate.  People who want their house to be haunted that badly get no sympathy and little respect from me.  And, even worse are those who pretend to be victims of the paranormal when their real agenda is to make others take notice of them for no reason but their own egos.  It's a kind of hypochondria, ain't it.  Fortunately, such clients have been in the smallest minority for PPI.

[PPI Brian]

Here's a youtube clip with two very disturbing EVPs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8ZHcna1wg

Thoughts anyone?

What is most interesting to me is not the clip at all, but the owner of this house.  This guy is some Hollywood producer.  He has been trying to sell that house for quite some time.  I have a friend who used to be with a certain local paranormal group. Apparently, this guy was soliciting all sorts of different groups, including hers, to come and do investigations. He would call the media right before an investigation to see if they were interested in covering it. According to my friend who actually did investigate his house, this guy's main concern was for them to deem his house haunted so it would sell for a higher price.  What is also interesting is the way Jay is looking at this guy for most of the reveal.  It's like he knows what this guy is up to.  Watch it again and just notice Jay's body language and the look on his face throughout.

I remember this episode very, very well.  I watched it intently several times over because we were expecting someone who used to be with our group to be "featured" on the show (but, as it turned out, they weren't).

My visceral reaction to the man claiming the Manson victims were haunting his home was that there was something too eager, too badly acted about his shock and enthusiasm.  I didn't trust him, and Chris Fleming's appearance didn't reassure me that this was anything but a contrived media stunt in which Jay and Grant were forced to participate.  People who want their house to be haunted that badly get no sympathy and little respect from me.  And, even worse are those who pretend to be victims of the paranormal when their real agenda is to make others take notice of them for no reason but their own egos.  It's a kind of hypochondria, ain't it.  Fortunately, such clients have been in the smallest minority for PPI.

I agree with you Tracy and Karl; the motivations of this client were indeed questionable. I did some quick research on this location (10050 Cielo Drive in Benedict Canyon) and checked the current Google maps with arial photos taken after the murders. http://www.cielodrive.com/master.html?http://www.cielodrive.com/location/tate/index.html  They didn't seem to add up. The old address placed the house on the wrong part of Cielo Drive on the Google map. The old house that Polanski & Tate were renting at the time of the murders was located at the end of a cul de sac; the house TAPS investigated was not. When the episode began the owner, a Mr. Oman I believe, said that the original house where the murders were committed was torn down and that his house was built about 200 feet from the location of the original house. The Google map seems to contradict this statement.

After this episode aired I started doing a little research and discovered that the original house was indeed demolished in 1994, and the owner replaced it with a new mansion called Villa Bella with a new street address of 10066 Cielo Drive. The new owner of the house is a producer named Jeff Franklin. He has reported nothing out of the ordinary (at least publicly) while living at the property. When you look at the Google map of Cielo Drive the new house that Franklin built is clearly in the same location as the original house; at the end of the cul de sac and far away from the house that TAPS investigated. So I have to wonder why the Oman house is allegedly haunted by people who never lived there (or died there), and why the Franklin house is not. Just doesn't seem to add up. 

Just my two cents.

Regards,

Brian Miller