Audio & Video from Teledyne Ryan Aeronautics

[Mark.Yates]

Hi all, Yes I am the newest forum member to the PPI Forums. I have been conversating with Brian Miller through the SCP Forums. I posted the same links on the SCP forums too. I am VERY new to the whole paranormal investigation however, I believe in spirits and the paranormormal.

Audio: You'll have to listen to the clip with ear or headphones and possibly amplify the section after the loud knock.
File name: EVP upstairs TDR.wav File size: 2.05 MB

[Gary]

Mark, thank you very much for posting these here for us to look at.  I will be home from work in a few hours so I will check them out then. 

Also, welcome to our forums.  Feel free stay and post on anything you'd like.  We'd love to hear any other experiences you may have had.  Look forward to talking more.

[ljiljanac]

Hey Mark!     Welcome to the Forums!  I can't wait to check out what you sent. 

[PPI Brian]

Hi Mark,

I also want to welcome you to the PPI forums. Thank you for posting these links. I brought the team up to date about your investigations at Teledyne Ryan, and we will post our comments regarding the audio and video you posted.

After some preliminary research I'm convinced the story about the shooting at Teledyne Ryan was confused with the shooting at General Dynamics Convair on January 24, 1992. Here's an excerpt from HR Magazine printed November 2002 -

Jan. 24, 1992. Labor negotiator Michael Konz was shot fatally at the General Dynamics/Convair plant in San Diego by former employee Robert Earl Mack, who had been fired for habitual tardiness and absences. Before surrendering, Mack also shot and wounded his former supervisor. Both victims were shot after Mack chased them down following a grievance hearing. Mack is serving 15 years to life for second-degree murder and a life sentence for premeditated attempted murder.

This reference isn't entirely correct. I was a shop steward at Convair from 1988 to 1996, and I worked with Michael Konz. He was a Labor Relations Representative, but didn't particpate in collective bargaining negotiations. He was a decent and honest man, and he was only 25 when Robert Mack shot him in the hallway of our Labor Relations building. I was at work the day of the shooting, and I will never forget it. Mack hid in the Employee Benefits department for several hours after the shooting, threatening to kill himself. Paramedics could not reach Michael Konz or James English for nearly an hour becuase Mack threatened to kill anyone who came near them. They finally managed to pull both men out through Labor Relations and load them into ambulances on Pacific Highway. During the stand off management made no attempt to evacuate the workers from the facillity. When word of the shooting spread through the shop people started putting down their tools and walking off the job. Management threatened to discipline anybody who left, and I was forced into a huge confrontation with the plant managers on the shop floor that nearly got me fired. But when the dust settled, people were allowed to go home without discipline. San Diego SWAT set up a perimeter and after what seemed like an eternity they convinced Mack to surrender without having to fire a shot. I stayed in the shop until Mack was apprehended.

Here's another partial article on the subject, but again, the writer didn't research the topic completely:

IT WAS NOT SAFETY MANAGER RANDY MCPHEETERS' IDEA to look for an emerging occupational safety and issue and become an expert on it. Unfortunately, workplace violence found him and other General Dynamics 6. Convair Division workers in the form of a 42-year-old disgruntled former employee.

On Jan. 24,1992, Robert Earl Mack, who had been fired for repeated absences and tardiness, walked out of an appeal appeal hearing at the plant and pulled a .38-caliber handgun. With more than 20 witnesses looking on and several hundred other workers nearby, Mack fatally shot a company labor negotiator and wounded his former supervisor in the head. Mack, who worked at the San Diego-area missile assembly facility for 25 years, was convicted of second-degree murder and will serve at least 17 years in prison before being eligible for parole.

McPheeters, CSP, manager of safety, health, and fire prevention, said the attack forced wide-ranging reviews and upgrades in the Convair facility's security, employee safety, and emergency planning efforts. In an interview with Occupational Hazards, McPheeters acknowledged that but for the Mack case, the plant might still be in "the mainstream of employers" who have human resources, security, and safety policies in place that could prevent violence and harassment but do not emphasize them.

"I'm here to dispel the myth of invulnerability," McPheeters said at a Washington, D.C., workplace violence conference sponsored by Organization Resources Counselors Inc. "Violence is such a large problem that anything less than a take-charge perspective won't work."

McPheeters said safety and health practitioners need to be involved because it is an "employee protection" issue and because OSHA has shown interest in it. Existing emergency planning and response programs can be models from which to build violence prevention and incident management initiatives.

I served as a Health and Safety instructor for the Machinists Union from 1992 to 2001, and I chaired the Joint Labor/Management Safety Committee during this time. We actually used this incident as a topic for our workplace violence section in our general safety training courses. Convair took a very paranoid approach to labor relations following this incident. The company refused to hear any grievances for six months following the shooting, and we had to file unlawful labor practice charges with the National Labor Relations Board to resolve it. The company installed bullet proof glass in the employment office, they posted armed guards in Labor Relations, and forced us to go through metal detectors and physical searches before they would allow us to meet with the company in special bullet proof rooms to hear the simplest grievances. It was absolutely ridiculous. I understand how vulnerable the Labor Relations employees must have felt, but the real underlying causes that led to this incident were never addressed. The company never stopped the harassment and humiliation of hourly employees in the shop, and they adopted a "zero tolerance" policy that blamed the hourly workers instead of reigning in their asshole supervisors. Many hourly employees were unjustly terminated immediately after this incident because supervisors felt "threatened". It was an ugly, scary time for everyone who worked there, and although many years have passed it still seems like yesterday.

This article from the LA Times cited the Human Resources Director at Teledyne Ryan on the Convair shooting:

New and Deadly Danger in Workplace
Fear: Those with the same job as a slain human resources employee worry that layoffs could lead to more violence.
January 30, 1992|CHRIS KRAUL | SAN DIEGO COUNTY BUSINESS EDITOR
Lynne D'Agostino took the news a little more personally than some others might when she heard about the disgruntled former employee of General Dynamics who last week shot a supervisor and a human resources representative.

That's because she, too, is a human resources director.

"It was absolutely frightening that it could happen and that we are so vulnerable," said D'Agostino, who works for Cubic Corp.

D'Agostino took the killing of human resources specialist Michael Konz harder than most because she does the same kind of work, often mediating in disputes between workers and supervisors and sometimes relaying the bad news when employees are fired or laid off. As such, she feels vulnerable to the same kind of violent outbursts.

"You do your best to be sensitive to people who are let go, but you can still end up a victim," D'Agostino said. "There is no adequate way to protect ourselves--physically protect ourselves. In order to do that, we'd have to isolate ourselves, and our jobs are to be accessible to employees."

By no means is D'Agostino a voice in the wilderness. Several human resources executives acknowledged this week that share her fears because they are vulnerable to violence from current and former employees.

Meanwhile, some San Diego-area companies are taking steps to avoid a similar tragedy.

"I got home Friday night and I thought over the weekend about how it could happen to you," said Ken Carson, human resources vice president at Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical. "I tried to think of things that we could do to minimize the possibility" of a General Dynamics-type shooting.

The suspect in the slaying of Konz, 25, is Robert Earl Mack, a former Convair Division employee who worked on the Advanced Cruise Missile assembly line. He had been fired nine days before the shootings, which occurred Friday after a grievance hearing attended by both men and by another General Dynamics employee, James English, who had been Mack's line supervisor. English was seriously wounded in the attack.

The shootings came seven months after the killings last June of two Elgar Corp. executives by a disgruntled ex-employee. The alleged killer in that case, Larry T. Hansel, who had been let go three months before, reportedly intended to kill several other people, including Elgar's human resources chief, Tom Erickson.

Again, the writers took some liberties with the subject matter. Cubic Corporation was and still is non-union. In fact, they are anti-union. The roles of Human Resources representatives in non-union workplaces are not even remotely similar to union workplaces. I'm amazed they didn't mention the fact that Robert Mack had two union reps with him at the time -- a Business Agent named Paul Pechter and a Shop Steward named Arnold Castro, who tried to disarm him after Michael Konz was shot and before Jim English was shot. Arnold Castro suffered from PTSD, had multiple breakdowns and finally quit because he blamed himself for the incident.

I apologize for this long winded response, but I'm reliving the incident as I type this. I just wanted to provide some factual information on the subject since I worked at both Convair and Teledyne Ryan in the past. To the best of my knowlege, no such incident ever happened at Teledyne Ryan.


Regards,

Brian

[Mark.Yates]

Brian, there is nothing wrong with being long winded if it means getting the story straight. I know what I hear when I am here at night. I've everything from footsteps on the floor above me to doors opening and closing on there own from being in the shut position. One of the equipment operators lives here on the site and he uses the showers on the 2nd floor. When he leaves he always notices the inner door is slightly open but, when he touches it it closes. It along with all the other doors have return mechanisms  on them. On a regular basis I hear footsteps above me as I mentioned earlier. I can distiguish them between a man and or a woman. The man's footsteps are heavy and long. The woman's footsteps sounds like she is wearing high heels walking on a tile floor. However, the flloor directly above me is carpeted.   The footsteps and the voice I heard on the audio clip are of a man and those footsteps were one of which walking on a hardwood floor. That very room where the EVP was taken has a hardwood floor and when you walk on it, it gives off the same sound that is heard in the EVP however, I didn't hear the loud bang, the footsteps, or the voice.  I also have over 700+ stills within the conference room and some in the room where the EVP was captured. In all of those photos you can see ORBS. Some are solid white with fuzz around them, some have color to them(mostly green and blue, but a couple red), and they range from in size from tiny to large.


I would like to go to a place where I can use my equipment and it be legal where I am at. I use a Sony DVD camcorder with super night shot plus, Sony Cyber-Shot digital camera, K2, MEL 8704R, and a Coby digital recorder(still haven't purchased a micro flash card for it).

[PPI Brian]

Hi Mark,

Your personal experiences at TDR are very intriguing. I look forward to studying the photos you linked, and the audio file too. Thank you for sharing these with us.  

There is no shortage of public places where you can give your equipment a workout -- Old Town has several locations, including the Whaley House museum and El Campo Santo, and there are dozens of "Ghost Tours" that take you around San Diego on foot or on a bus for a nominal fee. Of course trespassing in local cemeteries is discouraged not only because it's prohibited by law, but IMHO cemeteries tend to harbor little if any legitimate paranormal activity. The tours are a lot of fun and people are encouraged to bring their own equpment. It's always a good idea to use your equipment in your home so you get a feel for normal environmental fluctuations over a given period of time. I also encourage you to check out some of the articles posted by PPI President Karl Sherlock on this thread regarding EVP captures and audio analysis for an in depth description of accepted protocols used by serious paranormal investigators.

[Gary]

Hey Mark.  I don't know if this would be helpful, there are some websites out there like photobucket.com or flicker.com which allows free photo and video storage.  The website that hosts your photos now will only let me download 1 photo every 10 minutes.  The sites I mentioned above have no restrictions like that, and you can store quite a bit of media.  It will take some time for me to get to all of those pictures.  Again, thank you for sharing.

[Mark.Yates]

I didn't know that and thank you for the heads up. I'll make the shift now.

I'm working on uploading the photos to Flickr right now. However the video I converted from VOB to WMV and now it looks distorted. The original file size was little over a Gig

[Mark.Yates]

OK I think I did this the right way here is the link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/myghostadventures/sets/

Brian Miller has the original audio clip and the section I took out I sent him through email. I'd like everyone to listen to it. I have read through the extensive articles the Karl wrote and that was very informative.  There were alot of EVP's I through out on my own.  The audio clip I sent Brian is unedited. When I edited it on my laptop I used WavePad and the only few things I did was amplified and noise reduction.

[Gary]

I didn't know that and thank you for the heads up. I'll make the shift now.

I'm working on uploading the photos to Flickr right now. However the video I converted from VOB to WMV and now it looks distorted. The original file size was little over a Gig

Awesome, thank you so much for doing that Mark.  That is much better!   

[PPI Karl]

Welcome, Mark.  It's good to have you here.  I'm looking forward to reviewing your audio and images.

[PPI Tracy]

Welcome to the forum, Mark.  Good to have you aboard.  Looking forward to reviewing what you have posted.

[Mark.Yates]

Thanks for all the welcoming. I've been to several different paranormal sites and I have to say that hands down PPI is much more professional and very well though out. Glenn Pitcher created a legacy.  When and if you view my many photos and the 2 clips can you comment on them so as I can get a better idea of what I'm looking at. I'm sure I'll have many questions as we all did when we first started out.

FYI - I'm on facebook too. Just look me up using my email: mark.yates71@gmail.com

[PPI Brian]

Hi Mark,

I just checked my PPI e-mail and I can't find the audio file attachment. Could you try sending it again?

Thanks. 

[Gary]

Brian, the the link the audio file is at the top of this thread.  I was able to download and listen.

Mark - Were you by yourself at the time of this recording?  Do you have any theories or explanations to the loud tap, footsteps, or the whisper?  The right ear of my head phones just went out so I am only listening with the left ear.  Very interesting.  I'm glad you shared this with us.

[Mark.Yates]

I later found out that the original Business Analyst Wayne Hopkins passed away recently from some form of cancer. His office is directly on the other side of the room I was in. When I go to work on Sunday I'll take photos and or a video of the route to the room I was in and show Wayne's office in relation to the I was in. I never had a chance to speak to Wayne but being that his office is next to it I think it could be him. Just a hunch.

Brian - Just emailed the clips to your PPI email

[PPI Brian]

Brian, the the link the audio file is at the top of this thread.  I was able to download and listen.

Mark - Were you by yourself at the time of this recording?  Do you have any theories or explanations to the loud tap, footsteps, or the whisper?  The right ear of my head phones just went out so I am only listening with the left ear.  Very interesting.  I'm glad you shared this with us.

Thank you, Gary. I will download it and give it a listen. Hope to post my thoughts soon. 

[Gary]

Hello Mark.   

I was looking at your videos.  Is there any possibility that those are vehicle headlights casting an odd reflection?  What time did those anomalies occur?  Any active aircraft causing reflections?  It's interesting how in both clips, the shadow, or light moves in two's, except for in the first video, which shows only one shadow or light moving the opposite directions. 

I'd be curious to know if you had any idea's about them??

[Mark.Yates]

I can tell you 100% that it wasn't an aircraft. The only thing it could have been was a passing vehicle and I thought that at first too.  So the next night I sat in the conference room with my laptop and the blinds closed. I did see the reflections on the wall as a car went by as we all see in the video where the anomalies pass from right to left. However, only a few vehicles casted a reflection but, the reflection went from left to right. As far as the anomaly that occurs in the lower left to the upper right or middle.  When you see the first anomaly pause the clip. Then frame advance by second. As soon as you see the second anomaly just enter the screen describe what you see in terms of either body shape, movement, and or objects in the frame. Remember what you saw in the Orb photos. That is the very conference room I was in. All shots that were taken looking at the lit hallway was how the static cam was setup.  So with that in mind. When you frame advance and see the anomalies look to see what the anomalies are passing and or walking through.  This is what I can't explain. Also, if it is a ghost or a residual haunt I've estimated heigth to be about 6' tall. I'll explain how I come to that conclusion once everyone has at least had a chance to view this.  I also work tonight so if any of you would like to come down and take a look as to what you are viewing. Also I'll show you where the EVP was captured.  This would shed some better light on things.

[Gary]

I will go back and take another look at those.  I personally am unsure about orbs.  From my own personal experience, it's usually dust.  We are currently working on an Orb study, which will be really educational.  You did capture some very detailed "orb" shots though, having a clear outline. 

I was also wondering about your EVP?  Do you have any theories on what it says?  I

The loud sound, and footsteps after you speaking, is that you or is the part of the EVP?

I think we would love to come down and check out where you work sometime.  I work nights right now myself, so might be a bit.

[Mark.Yates]

I've been researching orbs and trying to better educate myself as well.  Correct me if I'm wrong but, if you take a still and you capture dust, then take another shot in the exact location you should in theory pick up that same amount of dust but possibly in a different location.

The EVP you'll hear me ask the question, there is a brief silence, the loud bang that I didn't hear sitting there, the footsteps that sound like they are coming closer that I didn't hear, and then the voice. From what I can gather from it, it sounds like a male saying, "I do." I had the recorder on Voice Activation System(VAS) however, reading through the many articles that Karl wrote and the comments in the forum I've taken it off of VAS and do straight recording. I don't want to miss anything, especially those voice that are faint like the EVP you're listening to.  I'll be doing another EVP session tonight and taking stills within that room and the conference room.

[Mark.Yates]

Just arrived at work and as I was relieving the swing shift guard he told me no one was here. Jokingly, I said except the ghosts.  That's when he told me he heard footsteps on the the above floor northside offices, as we all have. Except this time he thought it was the operator that lives onsite. He went outside to investigate and found no one onsite except himself. As he was returning back to the front office we sit in he noticed someone or something peering out of an office window on the 2nd floor so he shined his flash light at the window. Whatever it was didn't want to be seen because he said as soon as the light hit the window whatever it was duck away.

I haven't personally experienced that but, I have experienced the footsteps.  The footsteps can be distinguished by either side on the 2nd floor. Some sound like a male walking on carpet and some sound like a female with high heels walking on tile.  However, all the offices on the 2nd floor are carpeted and the location of the female footsteps are in a carpeted area.

So I announced myself when I reentered the building and told of my intentions. I asked whomever it is that is upstairs to please give me a sign by walking on the floor above me and low and behold as I type this and God is my witness there are footsteps.  Hopefully tonight is going to be a good night.

[Gary]

Mark, let me say what an exciting opportunity to be able to work with some possible paranormal activity.  I am working until 2:00AM and I'll be checking the boards so if you have any updates, feel free to post them.  I'm very eager to hear what more you find. 

ALSO.... when I listened to the whisper in your EVP, I hear, "Not right now."  Hopefully someone else here will take a listen and give their input.

Good luck tonight Mark!!   

[Mark.Yates]

I'll have to listen to the EVP again and see if I hear that. I might have to tweak it a little bit.

I will post if I find anything.

I do have a qeustion. Lately since I've started this paranormal investigating here I've noticed the static level has risen significantly.  Example: I'll be sitting and watching tv and when I go to turn on the light I'll get shocked. Before I started investigating that would never happen. Anyone clue as to why this is taking place and if it is an entity how can I use that to get them to manifest?

[Gary]

I'm sure there are theories about the static.  One would be something to do with the weather, but I honestly don't know. 

The things you are doing and experimenting with are awesome though.  I would suggest keep talking to it.  Something I've always wondered is if an entity, or spirit can become more comfortable with someone who is present on a regular.  Like yourself for example.  The more you experiment while you are at work, perhaps the more activity you will be able to entice by just communicating.  Like a stray animal might become more comfortable with the more attention a person gives it.

I would also love the chance to come in to your work one evening just to check it out.  I'm sure I won't be the only one interested in that.

[Mark.Yates]

Here is something that will blow everyones mind. I know it's blowing my mind.

I was ending the hour and half continous EVP session and normally all I have to do is hold the stop button to save it and stop recording. Well I tried to hook it up to the laptop to see if that worked and it didn't. I took the batteries out of the recorder and that didn't stop it.  Notice I just said it didn't stop after removing the batteries. The device is still on, red light glowing as it it is recording, display still lit up, but nothing is recording.  I have no idea how to turn this thing off now.

So much for that hour long EVP session. I have no idea what the lesson I was supposed to learn from that. Those were brand new batteries.

[Mark.Yates]

Mark, let me say what an exciting opportunity to be able to work with some possible paranormal activity.  I am working until 2:00AM and I'll be checking the boards so if you have any updates, feel free to post them.  I'm very eager to hear what more you find. 

ALSO.... when I listened to the whisper in your EVP, I hear, "Not right now."  Hopefully someone else here will take a listen and give their input.

Good luck tonight Mark!!   

Do you work anywhere near the airport or live in the vicinity?

[Gary]

Is it near San Diego Int'l?  I know where all the airports in San Diego, I just am not familiar with where you work.  I live in North Park area and work in Sorrento Valley near all the Qualcomm buildings seen from the 805.   

[Mark.Yates]

If you're driving down Harbor Drive towards the airport from the 5 you'll pass the Coast Guard station on the left. If you look to the left you'll see the Cell Phone Lot. That light coming up is the light you turn right at and the gate and building you'll see(the only building) is Teledyne Ryan.  2701 N. Harbor Drive.  If you brainfart for some reason and pass the building you'll see the Commuter Terminal on your right and then Terminal 1, you've gone to far. I'm here until 0545 and no one starts showing up until about 0515.

[Gary]

There is a good chance I won't be working tomorrow night (Tuesday 1/18).  I have Jury Duty in the morning and am expecting to be free that evening.  I don't know what your work schedule is Mark, but if the door is open, I'll take it.  You don't work very far from where I live.  Which is nice!!