Earthquake Lights & Earthquake Clouds

[PPI Tim]

Hey Guys,
I was wondering about something.
Has anyone heard of the things called "Earthquake Lights and Earthquake Clouds?"
I just read about them and they sound interesting.
Do you think they are real?
Tim

[PPI Tracy]

Hey Guys,
I was wondering about something.
Has anyone heard of the things called "Earthquake Lights and Earthquake Clouds?"
I just read about them and they sound interesting.
Do you think they are real?
Tim

I have never heard of them.  I have heard of what they call "Earthquake Weather".  When the temp goes from 90 degrees one day to 65 the next.  Oh..wait...that's going on right now. 

I would like to learn about the subject what contributes to an earthquake in regards to weather conditions, lights, clouds, etc.

[PPI Glenn]

Actually, I have heard about something like this. I seem to remember that just before the last big Chinese quake, someone spotted some strangely colored clouds:

http://pinewooddesign.co.uk/2008/05/12/earthquake-cloud-prediction/

I also heard that someone spotted something similar just before the last LA quake too.

[PPI Tim]

Cool link Glenn.
I'm a weather nut and those clouds are really odd.
They remind me of the vapor trails rockets leave going into space.
Strange.
Anyone outthere seen anything like these clouds?
Tim

[xHollowedx]

I've seen clouds like those before, but never thought anything of them. I may not be remembering correctly but i may have seen them around the time of the last good sized quake about 2 or 3 months ago...

[PPI Jason]

I agree! Those clouds from the website Glenn posted appear unique http://pinewooddesign.co.uk/2008/05/12/earthquake-cloud-prediction/. I learned something about them from Professor Matherly at Grossmont College years ago. Most of the photos seem to depict what he reffered to as a "Mackeral sky." Those types of clouds usually come before a cold front and often indicate that rain is a'comin'. The cold air (high pressure) moves along and "crumples" the warmer air in front of it (in much the same way that moving your hand on top of a blanket in one direction forces the rest of the blanket to crumple ahead of the push). The clouds represent the condensation that occurs from the top edge of the crumples while the lack of clouds in between indicate the lower troughs. My apologies to Professor Matherly if I butchered that geography lesson.

[PPI Tim]

Hi Jason,
You had Matherly?
That's is nice. He was one of the coolest Professors at Grossmont College. He is the reason why I got a Geography degree.
He still comes by the my library every once in awhile.
Getting back to earthquake clouds,
The only clouds I know of that can be iridescent are very high altitude clouds with the sun shining on them at sunset.
The video of these clouds don't appear at the time of sunrise or sunset.

[bellalaghoste]

i have heard of earthquake weather too.

[PPI Jason]

Hi Jason,
You had Matherly?
That's is nice. He was one of the coolest Professors at Grossmont College. He is the reason why I got a Geography degree.
He still comes by the my library every once in awhile.
Getting back to earthquake clouds,
The only clouds I know of that can be irridescent are very high altitude clouds with the sun shining on them at sunset.
The video of these clouds don't appear at the time of sunrise or sunset.

I was thinking about what you brought up about the iridescent clouds. I found a website that postulates that iridescence in clouds may be, among other possibilities, an electromagnetic phenomenon http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/iredsnce.html. There are additional websites I've found that seem to indicate a possibility that electromagnetism is also related to earthquakes and their predictions http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/earthquake_alarm. Maybe the iridescent clouds are a manifestation of some change in the earth's electromagnetism that can be a precursor to major quakes???
I haven't looked to deeply into it. But the more I look at things paranormal the more the phrase "electromagnetism" seems to pop up. I wonder if this force is really as pervasive and relevant as recent research seems to indicate or if it is just a convenient, misunderstood phenomenon used to try and connect coincidental events with mysterious relationships. Might be worth further research.
Maybe when our EMFs go off the chart we should be running outside instead of looking for ghosts lol!?!
I don't know. My head hurts now so I'm going to stop thinking about this!!!

[PPI Tracy]

Here is a question for you regarding earthquakes.  There was an earthquake in Barstow a few days ago.  It happened in the evening.  I felt it in South Orange County.  Later, the fine folk at US Geological said it was an "aftershock" from an earthquake that happened 9 years ago.  9 years ago?  That's got me wondering whether earthquakes just happen "on their own" or if they are actually a sizable aftershock caused by of course a previous quake.  Hmmm....

[PPI Glenn]

It's an aftershock if it happens in the same place.

Here is a question for you regarding earthquakes.  There was an earthquake in Barstow a few days ago.  It happened in the evening.  I felt it in South Orange County.  Later, the fine folk at US Geological said it was an "aftershock" from an earthquake that happened 9 years ago.  9 years ago?  That's got me wondering whether earthquakes just happen "on their own" or if they are actually a sizable aftershock caused by of course a previous quake.  Hmmm....

[PPI Tracy]

Seriously Glenn?  Even that many years later?  Wow.

You guys are so smart.  Hopefully it will rub off.

[PPI Tim]

The location of a aftershock can be thought of like a sticking point where two plates rub against each other. As one plate is moving along the other plate, it can hit a piece of rock that sticks out. This can cause pressure to build and when it releases it creates another earthquake in the same location.

[PPI Tracy]

The location of a aftershock can be thought of like a sticking point where two plates rub against each other. As one plate is moving along the other plate, it can hit a piece of rock that sticks out. This can cause pressure to build and when it releases it creates another earthquake in the same location.

Yeah, but 9 years LATER?  That's amazing.

[PPI Tim]

Yes, nine years later and I've heard of aftershocks happening 100 years later.
It is just a question of geology.

[PPI Tracy]

Yes, nine years later and I've heard of aftershocks happening 100 years later.
It is just a question of geology.

Well color me stupid.  Guess I need to go back to school. 

[PPI Tracy]

Okay...maybe I'm not so stupid.  I did a little research about earthquakes and I actually spoke with a friend of mine who does a lot of geological / weather related work.  Apparently, unless an earthquake is less than a year old, it cannot be technically considered an aftershock.  Especially 100 years later.  In that case, it is deemed an earthquake it it's own right.  Not a new one. 

As far as the clouds are concerned, the rainbow colors that were seen in those clouds from the photo of the skies (supposedly in China - 2 hours before the quake), were nothing more than a prism effect of the ice particles in the clouds themselves.


Okay...round 3....ding ding ding......

[PPI Tim]

My ass.
I bet you can look back in seimic records and you can see a record of earthquakes happening in the same location and at the same depth.
As far as earthquake clouds....it is something I've never seen.
The pictures looked interesting.
Sorry, I'm on a timer at work. The computer will go off in 15 minutes so I have to type fast.
Sometimes tooo fast.

[PPI Tracy]

My ass.
I bet you can look back in seimic records and earthquakes happening in the same location and at the same depth.
As far as earthquake clouds....it is something I've never seen.
The pictures looked interesting.

Whoa dude....Your ass is in the seismic records?  You're famous!  I guess we could say, "Timmy Got Back".   


p.s. Hey Tim....I got nuthin but love for ya, baby.....  

[PPI Tim]

Of course my ass in the records.
My last name is Mountain.
If I eat the wrong things, I get a earthquake followed by aftershocks.
It is quite alarming.
People do get shook up by the event.
Just funnin with you Tracy.

[PPI Tracy]

Of course my ass in the records.
My last name is Mountain.
If I eat the wrong things, I get a earthquake followed by aftershocks.
It is quite alarming.
People do get shook up by the event.
Just funnin with you Tracy.

I think I just peed myself....

[PPI Jason]

My ass.

Hey, I think the next time someone says something we disagree with we should say, "Tim's ass" since he as already established its supremacy with his "Mountain metaphor" 

So I guess, that having been established, I should say to Tracy, "Tim's ass"  since I found an article that seems pretty reputable and which indicates that some aftershocks can occur decades after an initial "Main Shock." However, in deference to Tracy's comments, the article also indicates that the likelihood of an aftershock decreases substantially over time and that aftershocks that occur decades after the main earthquake only occur after very large main quakes. Here's the article:

http://www.earthquakecountry.info/roots/basics.html

Jason

[PPI Tracy]

My ass.

Hey, I think the next time someone says something we disagree with we should say, "Tim's ass" since he as already established its supremacy with his "Mountain metaphor" 

So I guess, that having been established, I should say to Tracy, "Tim's ass"  since I found an article that seems pretty reputable and which indicates that some aftershocks can occur decades after an initial "Main Shock." However, in deference to Tracy's comments, the article also indicates that the likelihood of an aftershock decreases substantially over time and that aftershocks that occur decades after the main earthquake only occur after very large main quakes. Here's the article:

http://www.earthquakecountry.info/roots/basics.html

Jason

Wow Jason...that is a cool article. 

So..if we only slightly disagree, instead of saying, "Tim's Ass", should we just say....."Tim's cheek"?  That way it doesn't overstep the boundries of being in total disagreement, but more defines the parameters of "slight" disagreement.  Now, which cheek that would be could be up for debate.  I say left....but then again, maybe it's the right one.  What do you guys think?  I mean after all, we don't want to make Tim the butt of any jokes.  Okay...that joke was way too cheeky.  Sorry. 

[PPI Tim]

Hey,
What is wrong with your cheek Tracy? You know, that has a good ring to it......not to say that your butt cheeks have a ring around them
I think the phrase "TRACY CHEEKS" can be considered for mild disagreements.

[PPI Jason]

Okay, let me get this straight just so we make sure we document it properly in the by-laws.

Strong, vehement disagreement = "Tim's Ass!"
Moderate disagreement (with liberal slant)= "Tim's left cheek"
Moderate disagreement (with conservative bias) = "Tim's right cheek"
Very mild disagreement = "Tracy cheeks"
Gleeful giddy disagreement = "You cheeky monkey!"

All in favor say "Aye." All not in favor can kiss [refer to strong vehement disagreement above]. 

Jason

[PPI Tracy]

"Aye, Aye, Aye"!!

It all sounds so "Tres Chic"

[PPI Tim]

Okay,
It will be one of the topics at the meeting tonight.

Topic: Tim's Ass and other types of disagreements.

[Brigham]

But the more I look at things paranormal the more the phrase "electromagnetism" seems to pop up. I wonder if this force is really as pervasive and relevant as recent research seems to indicate or if it is just a convenient, misunderstood phenomenon used to try and connect coincidental events with mysterious relationships.

Actually, I'd say it's a little of both. On the one hand, electromagnetism is actually as ubiquitous and integral to how the universe works as gravity. Matter as we know it is bound together on the atomic and molecular level by electromagnetism, similar to how galaxies are held together by gravity. On the other hand, the more mathematicians and physicists learn about how stuff works, the more we find out everything we knew previously is either wrong or immensely more complex and bizarre than we ever imagined. As well as we know how electromagnetism affects a dynamic system, it's still a big mystery. We still don't even really understand what causes it or how it actually works.

In short, yes, it is that pervasive relevant to pretty much everything, on some level. And yes, it is definitely misunderstood, on many levels.

[PPI Tracy]

But the more I look at things paranormal the more the phrase "electromagnetism" seems to pop up. I wonder if this force is really as pervasive and relevant as recent research seems to indicate or if it is just a convenient, misunderstood phenomenon used to try and connect coincidental events with mysterious relationships.

Actually, I'd say it's a little of both. On the one hand, electromagnetism is actually as ubiquitous and integral to how the universe works as gravity. Matter as we know it is bound together on the atomic and molecular level by electromagnetism, similar to how galaxies are held together by gravity. On the other hand, the more mathematicians and physicists learn about how stuff works, the more we find out everything we knew previously is either wrong or immensely more complex and bizarre than we ever imagined. As well as we know how electromagnetism affects a dynamic system, it's still a big mystery. We still don't even really understand what causes it or how it actually works.

In short, yes, it is that pervasive relevant to pretty much everything, on some level. And yes, it is definitely misunderstood, on many levels.

Yeah....uh huh.....what he said