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Started by CACPIR_Dave, June 02, 2008, 12:55:25 AM

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MichaelF (FPIE)

Dang, and I was all setup to use my Tuition Assistence and GI bill there....
200 years ago, our communication over computers would have been deemed magical and we all would have been burned at the stake.  200 years from now, explanations for what we call Paranormal will be in Science Textbooks.

CACPIR_Dave

Why is my group having all the luck with the nutjobs in So Cal.  You guys aren't sending em my way, are you?  LOL

So I get an email from this woman claiming she has some paranormal activity going on in her apartment and it is causing, and I quote, "great distress" to her son.  So I figure, ok, its warranted to look into.
So I contact her, takes several emails back and forth to finally get more than, "its evil and upsetting my son, can you please come and do something about it?"
Here's what I find out: 
Her son is less than 2 months old. 
He cries at night.
There is no other type of paranormal activity going on.

Seriously, that's it.
So I tell her there is nothing paranormal going on.  I don't have kids myself, but I am pretty sure that's normal.  I suggested she contact a relative or friend who's had kids before or a pediatrician to ask for advice.
Now she's mad at me and threatening to sue me for false advertising since I won't waste my group's time and go out to her place and conduct a thorough investigation.

I kid you not.  Well, look out, she may come PPI's way.  Maybe I should direct her to So Cal Ghost Hunters.  I'll tell her they can probably do a better job for her since their director has a PhD.

ttjoon

Quote from: PPI Glenn on June 23, 2008, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: TAPS Tracy on June 23, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: PPI Glenn on June 23, 2008, 02:28:37 AM
Looks like the 'ol Celestial Visions School of Metaphysical Arts is kaput. Their domain name is no longer registered.

Quote from: TAPS Tracy on June 18, 2008, 05:01:09 PM
Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 18, 2008, 02:12:51 PM
Quote from: TAPS Tracy on June 18, 2008, 10:23:15 AM
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on June 18, 2008, 09:05:01 AM
The Southern Ca GHost Hunters.

aka: "The Dark Side"

Led by the notorious Doctor Evil herself...  :)

Doesn't she claim to have a fake PhD in metaphysical studies or some other nonsensical bulls#@t?

Yes, she does.  I think in this case, PhD stands for "Piled Higher and Deeper.  ::)

This is from an earlier post but this was my comment on this:

Well, Dr. Meiniger's school says it all: "Celestial Visions School of Metaphysical Arts".   :  Something tells me this isn't an Ivy League school.  Can't be sure, but I just have this feeling

Oh, bummer.  It looked so successful, too.  I guess this means that her diploma is no longer good, huh?   ::)

Like it ever was good??

Exactly my point!   :D

PPI Brian

Quote from: CACPIR_Dave on June 24, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
...Maybe I should direct her to So Cal Ghost Hunters.  I'll tell her they can probably do a better job for her since their director has a PhD.

I think that's an excellent idea.  :)
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."--Carl Sagan

ttjoon

Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 24, 2008, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: CACPIR_Dave on June 24, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
...Maybe I should direct her to So Cal Ghost Hunters.  I'll tell her they can probably do a better job for her since their director has a PhD.

I think that's an excellent idea.  :)

I'll second that......

CACPIR_Dave

I would love to do that, but the thing is, I don't want this group basting my group's name everywhere. 
Man, I just checked out their website.  Talk about some pieces of work!
I mean, I know this other group in So Cal, PPI I think they are called  ;D (just kidding), have some wacky photos, but So Cal Ghost Hunters takes the cake! 

ttjoon

Quote from: CACPIR_Dave on June 24, 2008, 04:54:29 PM
I would love to do that, but the thing is, I don't want this group basting my group's name everywhere. 
Man, I just checked out their website.  Talk about some pieces of work!
I mean, I know this other group in So Cal, PPI I think they are called  ;D (just kidding), have some wacky photos, but So Cal Ghost Hunters takes the cake! 

They are the "Orb" kings!

MichaelF (FPIE)

Your case kind of troubles me a little bit.  There is no other paranormal activity going on, but she thinks that her baby is crying due to being frightened by some evil presence.  We may know that it's not uncommon for a 2 month old to cry, the fact that she doesn't seem aware of this is a little troublesome.  It makes me wonder if she may need to seek some medical help.  She could have a type of post-partum (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) depression or something else going on.  If she thinks her son is being bothered by evil now, what if tomorrow she thinks he is possesed by it?  That's what worries me.

It's your case, do with it as you will, but I personally would humor her a little bit and get her to seek some medical help.
200 years ago, our communication over computers would have been deemed magical and we all would have been burned at the stake.  200 years from now, explanations for what we call Paranormal will be in Science Textbooks.

ttjoon

#38
Sounds like she is a first time Mom that is overloaded...maybe in several ways. 

Is she a single parent?  Makes me worry for the child's safety if she isn't operating on all cylinders.  Michael makes a good point: What if she starts to think her child is evil?  Just the thought of it is a scary road to go down.  The fact that she is "mad" at you and is "threatening to sue" you, makes me think she is definitely a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

PPI Brian

Quote from: CACPIR_Dave on June 24, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
Now she's mad at me and threatening to sue me for false advertising since I won't waste my group's time and go out to her place and conduct a thorough investigation.

Hi Dave,

Unfortunately there are times when clients will not be pleased with your decision to pull the plug on an investigation. Clients should understand that an interview does not commit your group to conduct an investigation, especially when you determine it's not appropriate to conduct an investigation. Don't worry... she has no legal grounds to sue, but it would probably be in your best interests to sever all communications with her immediately.     
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."--Carl Sagan

PPI Glenn

Michael, while I'm not disagreeing with you, we've found that in cases such as this its best to just leave them alone. I know that may sound harsh but with some people there just isn't a good way to suggest seeking medical attention.

Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on June 24, 2008, 05:34:48 PM
Your case kind of troubles me a little bit.  There is no other paranormal activity going on, but she thinks that her baby is crying due to being frightened by some evil presence.  We may know that it's not uncommon for a 2 month old to cry, the fact that she doesn't seem aware of this is a little troublesome.  It makes me wonder if she may need to seek some medical help.  She could have a type of post-partum (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) depression or something else going on.  If she thinks her son is being bothered by evil now, what if tomorrow she thinks he is possesed by it?  That's what worries me.

It's your case, do with it as you will, but I personally would humor her a little bit and get her to seek some medical help.
Glenn Pitcher
Founder, Pacific Paranormal Investigations
R.I.P. (1963-2009)

PPI Glenn

And just because someone doesn't have the legal grounds to sue, it sure doesn't stop them. And it won't stop you from having to pay for an attorney.

Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 24, 2008, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: CACPIR_Dave on June 24, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
Now she's mad at me and threatening to sue me for false advertising since I won't waste my group's time and go out to her place and conduct a thorough investigation.

Hi Dave,

Unfortunately there are times when clients will not be pleased with your decision to pull the plug on an investigation. Clients should understand that an interview does not commit your group to conduct an investigation, especially when you determine it's not appropriate to conduct an investigation. Don't worry... she has no legal grounds to sue, but it would probably be in your best interests to sever all communications with her immediately.     
Glenn Pitcher
Founder, Pacific Paranormal Investigations
R.I.P. (1963-2009)

CACPIR_Dave

Yeah, I haven't heard from here and this all happened last week.  
I've debunked several cases just through phone interviews.  There was one couple that were saying over the course of two weeks, their kitchen chandelier would start to sway.  A quick internet search and I discovered there was a series of small earthquakes that seemed to occur at the same time the lights moved.

i'm not worried about her suing me.  Besides, I'm in debt too much, I don't have any money and our assets, home, cars, etc are all in my wife's name since she had way better credit than me at the time!  LOL

I'm pretty sure that if this ever did get to court, the judge would laugh at her and rule that she has to pay for my attorney fees.

PPI Brian

Quote from: PPI Glenn on June 25, 2008, 12:31:09 AM
And just because someone doesn't have the legal grounds to sue, it sure doesn't stop them. And it won't stop you from having to pay for an attorney.

Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 24, 2008, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: CACPIR_Dave on June 24, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
Now she's mad at me and threatening to sue me for false advertising since I won't waste my group's time and go out to her place and conduct a thorough investigation.

Hi Dave,

Unfortunately there are times when clients will not be pleased with your decision to pull the plug on an investigation. Clients should understand that an interview does not commit your group to conduct an investigation, especially when you determine it's not appropriate to conduct an investigation. Don't worry... she has no legal grounds to sue, but it would probably be in your best interests to sever all communications with her immediately.     

Hi Glenn,

I agree that people file suit without the legal grounds to do so, but this sounds like an empty threat to me. Unless she's got money to blow on attorney fees for a hopeless law suit, no attorney would pursue legal action against someone who refused to conduct a paranormal investigation in a private residence. No self respecting attorney would take such a case on contingency or a pro bono basis. All she did was exchange a few e-mails and had a phone conversation. She didn't pay for any services, and there are no damages, and there was no contract for services. It would be laughed out of court.  

Any attorney who took a case like this could be counter-sued for filing a frivolous law suit and have their license to practice law revoked by the Bar. I'll bet you could find a rival attorney who would take that case on a pro bono basis.  ;D
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."--Carl Sagan

MichaelF (FPIE)

Heh, one of my good freidns wives is an attorney, I think she would take care of me, especially since there would be no real risk.

I know I'm a sucker, but my main goal is to help people, and people need all types of help.  I'm pretty decent about bringing up sensitive topics and reccomending stuff in a certain way.  I would far prefer to attempt that, then to read in the paper next week that she did something terrible to her child.
200 years ago, our communication over computers would have been deemed magical and we all would have been burned at the stake.  200 years from now, explanations for what we call Paranormal will be in Science Textbooks.