i got one 9-11

[ellie]

I hope it's not
ONE MILLION DOLLARS?

[TAPS Jen]

I wish!    My clients are all homeless or in a hospital or jail wen I get them - I'm as cheap as it gets!

[Todd]

HAHAHAHHAHA
nice that was funny

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

While I don't think the government is beyond staging something to scare the American people, I don't think 911 is such a case.  Fear is good for the government, it keeps people relying on the government, the media excels at breeding fear in fact. 

That being said, I highly doubt something like 911 was done by the government.  Few reasons for this, first it would have been way to big, to many people involved.  All it wuld have taken was one person feeling guilty to blow it wide open.  Also imagine the blackmail potential?  Actually performing 911 would not be needed to get us where we are today.  The finding of a dirty bomb in New York could have achieved the same results for example, with a lot less risk.

I actually know people who were at the Pentagon when the Plane hit, it was a Plane for sure, not a missile.  The damage to the Pentagon could have been much much worse, and the loss of life much greater.  I find it doubtfull that if you are staging an incident in the hopes of starting a war, you would risk taking out your top military leadership.  We also got very lucky with the twin towers, while the loss of life was horrific, it could have been much worse.  What if they hadn't basically collappsed, but had topplled on their sides instead?  While I believe that some people in the government "may" be willing to commit certain actis in favor of the greater good, I think that 911 was just to risky.

On a side note about the economy / gas tangent that this thread took a little......

In many ways our struggeling economy and rising gas prices is a GOOD thing.  I know that is tough to say for people struggeling to pay the bills, but it is true.  Big Oil has had a stranglehold on us for a long time, because we LET them.  Eventually when the prices rise enough, we will have had enough, no matter how much money the oil companies throw at politicians, people will demand alternative energy sources. 

How many American companies took their jobs overseas?  They wanted more money in their pockets and were willing to sacrifice American jobs.  Now that the Dollar is dropping and other currencies rising, many of those companies are now regretting their decisions, eventually they may return back home.  I cheer that their greed cost them money, hopefully it can be a lesson for others in the future.

Mike

[ellie]

I just don't know why the American people have to pay for all of this. I will not give my government any excuses when it comes to taking from the poor to give to the rich. Like I said before, although 911 was a travesty, I have a lot more questions. I don't feel our people should have to pay for their mistakes. Like NAFTA.

I know that even though I make a decent income I will never be able to afford collage for myself or my children, if I decide to have any. I sappose by then though the education system will be in such hardship that if I home school them with my high school education, they will be smarter then the average high school teacher. LOL.

Gas prices are rediculouse. I just don't see how that is a good thing. It costs more for public transportation and more to drive yourself. I don't like hearing stories of poor families that can't even get food for their family because they get robbed on the way to the store by someone who lost everything, or they can't afford gas to get there. I am sorry to get heated over this, but to be so nieve and ignorant is deffinately a pet peeve of mine.

People should not fear their government, The government should fear their people. 

[dwalters]

I HAD A DREAM....that all people would agree...left wing, right wing, left handed and right handed. I HAD A DREAM...that we would ALL agree that Pampers are better than Huggies!

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

I HAD A DREAM....that all people would agree...left wing, right wing, left handed and right handed. I HAD A DREAM...that we would ALL agree that Pampers are better than Huggies!

Omg, your killing the enviroment!!  Cloth Diapers all the way!   

[ttjoon]

Michael,
How many cloth diapers have you had to change, huh???  Huh??

Pleasant experience.....NOT!

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

 

A true tree hugger wouldn't really care!!  The cloth diaper thing was a joke by the way.

Ellie, I wasn't "really" saying that the high gas prices are a good thing, but in a long term way that it may be beneficial.  For example, for the longest time, if you wanted a Hybrid car, you had to buy a foreign car, the American companies simply did not make them.  Yet as gas prices rose and sales on Hybrids went up, American companies realised it could be profitable to sell them as well.  The more companies that are selling Hybrids, the more competition there will be, driving down prices.  So todays high gas prices may lead to Hybrid cars that a "normal" family can afford 5 years from now.

That doesn't do much for families struggeling to pay the bills now though.

[ellie]

You are right. Hopefully it does work our in the end. I know I want a hybrid. My unborn child will be named star shine. LOL

[ttjoon]

A true tree hugger wouldn't really care!!  The cloth diaper thing was a joke by the way.

You've heard of aliens?  Yeah, well try changing a diaper 24 hours after feeding your child smashed peas.  Talk about a UFO sighting!  GAWD!  :o

After that life altering experience, you won't even WANT to say the words "cloth diaper".  Disposable is the only way you'll get out alive!


By the way...I know you were joking.  

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

A true tree hugger wouldn't really care!!  The cloth diaper thing was a joke by the way.

You've heard of aliens?  Yeah, well try changing a diaper 24 hours after feeding your child smashed peas.  Talk about a UFO sighting!  GAWD!  :o

After that life altering experience, you won't even WANT to say the words "cloth diaper".  Disposable is the only way you'll get out alive!


By the way...I know you were joking.  

I guess such a situation would literally put the "green" from using Cloth Diapers into a new perspective.     Even worse if you came away wiith a green thumb.....

[PPI Brian]

A true tree hugger wouldn't really care!!  The cloth diaper thing was a joke by the way.

You've heard of aliens?  Yeah, well try changing a diaper 24 hours after feeding your child smashed peas.  Talk about a UFO sighting!  GAWD!  :o

After that life altering experience, you won't even WANT to say the words "cloth diaper".  Disposable is the only way you'll get out alive!


By the way...I know you were joking.  

Amen, Tracy. The last thing I wanted to do at 3:00 in the morning was scrub a cloth diaper in the toilet, and then let it stink up the place until I got a chance to get down to the laundry room. As a grandparent, I still find myself appreciating the convenience of disposalbes!  However, my Dad always told me there was nothing in the world that could compare to a heavily washed old cloth diaper for waxing his '57 Chevy.

[ellie]

Oh come on guys. I really need something good to hear about children if I ever decide to have any.

[MichaelF (FPIE)]

they are great for doing chores when they get old enough......

[PPI Brian]

they are great for doing chores when they get old enough......

Only if you train them young... 

Ellie, kids are truly a life changing experience. The younger years are the best, their teens are usually pretty hairy, but if you managed to get through to them when they are young, they will eventually chill out and become sane again. I believe conflict with your young adult children is an evolutionary thing, or at least a primate thing; if you got along with your kids you would never want them to move out of your house!

Being a grandfather now, I look back over the long expanse of time that has passed with a new perspective that is part nostalgia and part mental illness. Being a parent has really high "highs" and really low "lows", but if you listen to Bill Cosby and Watch re-runs of Roseann and the Osbournes you'll be just fine. 

[ttjoon]

Ellie,
With all the horrible things I went through when I was expecting Taylor and someone told me I had to go through it all over again just to have her.....I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I truly think that my daughter is the reason I am on this earth.  She brings more joy to my life than words can express.  No, it isn't all roses, but at the end of the day, knowing that you had a part in bringing this precious little soul into the world is a feeling of happiness that is beyond measure.  Motherhood also makes you realize that you are so far from perfect that even a map on how to get there wouldn't do you any good.  It is a challenge everyday but nothing in this world is more rewarding.  That is just my take on it, but I wouldn't trade being Taylor's mom for all the money in the world. 

We had the tooth fairy visit us last night.  For her to wake up this morning with a huge smile (abet toothless) on her face and tell me that the tooth fairy left her money under her pillow but better yet, she left her "special pink glitter" all over the floor, was totally priceless.

It is things like that, that she will hopefully remember and cherish long after I am gone.

[ellie]

WOW! I am speechless.

[jp3white]

*shakes head* amazing how this started about 9/11 & ended in poopie diapers

[ellie]

I think that when you have children, every thought and every action involves them. No matter what, when speaking to a parent the conversation will always end up involving them. I mean they are a part of their parents so it is expected. That's just how I see it.

[ttjoon]

I think that when you have children, every thought and every action involves them. No matter what, when speaking to a parent the conversation will always end up involving them. I mean they are a part of their parents so it is expected. That's just how I see it.

No truer words have ever been spoken.

(I so love you, Ellie!)

[jp3white]

There's a lot of pointing fingers & blaming for hard times. Shame on them, shame on the Bush administration, shame on NATF.
What about all of us?  We ARE we the people.  The same people who voted, casted, rallied, and idealized.  The same people that
pushed the button, consumed, and spent. So you didn't get who you wanted in office?  Then who did? Them? Sorry, I don't
mean to offend anyone.  Don't even get me started on reality TV!!!

[ttjoon]

There's a lot of pointing fingers & blaming for hard times. Shame on them, shame on the Bush administration, shame on NATF.
What about all of us?  We ARE we the people.  The same people who voted, casted, rallied, and idealized.  The same people that
pushed the button, consumed, and spent. So you didn't get who you wanted in office?  Then who did? Them? Sorry, I don't
mean to offend anyone.  Don't even get me started on reality TV!!!

Ohh...you're not still mad about the "poopie diaper" thing...are ya?   

[jp3white]

*confused*
I'm not mad about poopie diapers ??
I'm mad I didn't win the Mega Lotto!

[ttjoon]

*shakes head* amazing how this started about 9/11 & ended in poopie diapers

Your earlier quote was what I was joking about........

[ellie]

I cried both times that horrible man got in office.   

[ttjoon]

I cried both times that horrible man got in office.   

Let's just hope that the Democratic God's smile on us this time

(sorry Repubs)

[PPI Matt]

(all comments here are to be taken with a grain of salt, and two grains of pepper)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

take a look at the reichstag fire of nazi germany.  i posted the link or the address or whatever at the top, i hate to sound like a 911 nutcase (because we BOTH dont know everything), but our culture has made people who dont think "democracy good" "communism bad" or whatever to be crazy tree huggers, and not worthy of attention.

here's the thing the nazis burned down their own parliment building to begin their invasion of the world, im summing things up neatly of course, but it was designed to get germans PISSED OFF, and go along with whatever the fatherland wanted to do.  by the time the regular folks started opening their eyes, jews were in the oven and it was TOO LATE to go back.

America funded the covert war in afghanistan in the 80's so that the afghans would kill soviets instead of americans having to do it.  see that newish tom hanks movie charlie wilsons war, for a hollywood version of those events.  it was pretty good.  who had the power in the 80's? GEORGE BUSH SR. was head of the CIA.  it was  the peak of the cold war.

if we funneled money and training into afghanistan to teach donkey riders (no disrespect) how to shoot down soviet gunships, who can say with complete certainty that the bush administration didnt have something to do with training "muslims" to fly jets into the WTC. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Rowley 

also, pres bush sais in this video that he WATCHED the first plane fly into the WTC          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXglJU2w6U
when news video footage didnt come available until the next day, and the official version shows him finding out with school children.

also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

the BBC reported building 7 had collapsed before it ever did.

WTC looks like a controlled demolition to me.  i hate to say it, but tell me why we have never seen any GOOD footage of an AIRLINER flying into the pentagon, the most protected building, short of the white house, on earth, and the plane just HAPPENED to fly into the part that was being renovated for years, causing very little REAL damage to the pentagon.

do i need to keep going?  ok i will go a little further.
CARLYLE GROUP and of course the infamous HALIBURTON are making TONS of money off the war on terror. and big oil has its hand in it aswel since Karzi (sp) the new "president" of afghanistan was an ex oil executive          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan_Oil_Pipeline

the soviets werent dumb. they didnt want afghanistan because they thought it would be a cool place to put condos.  it is strategically important.  i find it quite a coincidence that before 911 we had only heard the term "terrorist" but never "AlQuieda"  but more of a coincidence that when the soviets were gone, we made OUR move for afghanistan in the way of "bringing democracy" to it.  I have learned over time that we usually bring democracy to places where we have a strategic or economic interest, and then a puppet government is formed.
hell, we dont even have a real democracy here.  the OBAMA VS CLINTON thing is most damaging i think to the country because it has SHED LIGHT on the process.

in the primary, votes dont matter, PREDETERMINED deligates do, otherwise florida would have a say in the democrat primaries, but the candidates are out shopping for "DELIGATE" votes, notnot really the people's votes, then, when we get to the GENERAL election, it is the ELECTORAL COLLEGE who makes the decisions, not actual counted votes.
IS THIS THE DEMOCRACY WE SO STRONGLY BELIEVE IN?
personally, i believe the federal government to be very similar to a secret society (not unlike skull and bones)  there are very few insiders who are outside the fray.  RON PAUL IS ONE EXCEPTION.  not that im here to promote ron paul, but i am using him as an example.
i find it quite suspect, that it appears that we currently live in a two family monarchy (bush and clinton)
whew i could keep going, but that would make us BOTH crazy 

-M@

[donaldhicks]

FYI. Bush was VP in the 80's and CIA director from 76-77.

[PPI Matt]

thank you for the correction on the years. i knew he was head of cia when carter was in office, and vp under ronald "mommy?" reagan. i had the dates wrong.