Elsie, the Lake Monster of Lake Elsinore

[Tim]

Hey Guys,
I just got a book from the library called "Supernatural California" by Preston Dennett c.2006
He has in the book, a story about a Loch Ness type Monster but this one resides in Lake Elisinore.
This Monster is called "Elsie"
Has anyone heard or witnessed any stories about Elsie?

Tim

[dwalters]

this has to be another Tim joke right? I'm not falling for it bro.

[PPI Brian]

Yeah, I'm kind of leery about this one too.

Sounds kind of fishy to me, dude.

Phoe me once, shame on me. Phoe me twice...

[Tim]

No joke. It is not even April Phoe's Day. Though you be still walking around with ?some Phoe on your head
I even quoted where I got this information so you may confirm my source.
As a matter of fact this book called "Supernatural California" tell of many lakes even Lake Tahoe that has stories of lake monsters.
I wanted to know more about the one some say lives in Lake Elsinore.
It is a cool book Dave. You might find it an interesting read.
When you have time of course. I hear you are a busy man.

Tim

[PPI Brian]

I'd like to read about it. I've never heard any reports about anything weird living in Lake Elsinore. Sounds interesting.

[Tim]

This book that I got from the library has just a few stories about Elsie. It also has a ton of other stuff that is trippy.
This book gives an address to the Elsie Museum.
199 Graham Ave
Lake Elsinore, CA 92530

No phone number for the Museum listed

Tim

[Holly]

No joke this time guys. Heres what I found...

This creature has been sighted by numerous witnesses since the 1884 sighting. It is always noted as looking like a cross between a plesiosaur, a creature from the age of the dinosaurs, and a serpent. In 1970, Bonnie Play, a local resident reported seeing the creature twice. It was described as being roughly 12 feet long and about 3 feet wide. It had a series of humps and a long dinosaur like head, the creature was swimming is an up-and-down motion.

After the 1970 sighting, 3 state park officals reported seeing the creature surface about 50 feet from their boat.

Take it or leave it.

Sounds to me like ol' Nessie gets around!!  :o

[Tim]

There you see. No Phoeing.
Thanks Holly.
The book that tells of Elsie also relys a story of Lake Hodges Monster "Hodgee" in San Diego.
This book I got has a bunch of stories and various topics.
Now if there were any pictures of these creatures that would be cool.

Tim

[PPI Karl]

Ever notice how these lake monsters are never in places easy to access?  They always involve wending drives taking hours of travel time so that you'll stop in, by a pie, a postcard, and a souvenir hat, and hit the road by nightfall.  I want my monsters close by (and my enemies closer).  I'd like to hear some stories about thirty people seeing a lake monster from their bus on the way to work, or employees of the Water District filing Workman's Comp for lake monster injuries on the job.

I guess that'll happen only in my worst SciFi Channel Original Movie dreams.  (Sorry.  That's a misplaced modifer.  It should read, "in my SciFi Channel worst Original Movie dreams."  )

[Holly]

I think there is an under ground tunnel that links all the lakes in the world and the monster just goes from lake to lake.

[PPI Glenn]

I would think it would be hard to hide a 12 foot long creature in a lake that's no more than 14 feet deep.

No joke this time guys. Heres what I found...

This creature has been sighted by numerous witnesses since the 1884 sighting. It is always noted as looking like a cross between a plesiosaur, a creature from the age of the dinosaurs, and a serpent. In 1970, Bonnie Play, a local resident reported seeing the creature twice. It was described as being roughly 12 feet long and about 3 feet wide. It had a series of humps and a long dinosaur like head, the creature was swimming is an up-and-down motion.

After the 1970 sighting, 3 state park officals reported seeing the creature surface about 50 feet from their boat.

Take it or leave it.

Sounds to me like ol' Nessie gets around!!  :o

[PPI Glenn]

Ya! Or maybe the UFOs secretly transport one creature from lake to lake!

I think there is an under ground tunnel that links all the lakes in the world and the monster just goes from lake to lake.

[PPI Karl]

If you see a couple of 8" tall Japanese twin fairies hanging around Lake Elsinore, you shall know the truth of it.

[Tim]

Hey!
What's wrong with the twins?
Don't you like them singing.
I'm working on getting thier CD collection.
If it is good enough for Godzilla, it's good enough for me.

Tim

[Brian JohnsonPPI]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the lake monsters are is, a large sturgeon or trout.

[Tim]

And if that's so, I want to catch me one of those monsters.
That's some nice fishing. I tell you what.
And it would be a great fish story.

Tim

[PPI Karl]

Hey!
What's wrong with the twins?
Don't you like them singing.
I'm working on getting thier CD collection.
If it is good enough for Godzilla, it's good enough for me.

Tim

No, I'm a full-on Twins fan--have been, ever since I was a kid.  My friends and I even made a parody of the Mothra movies when we were eighteen. (OK, it was more like when we were twenty-one.)  Besides, how could I hate on anything that stood eight inches tall and dressed like Zhazha Gabor?

[Tim]

LOL

I see a true fan of the twins.
Perhaps that is the next topic for the Cyrptozoology section. "Japanese Monster Twins"
Dave can't say that the twins don't exist.
I mean you've got a photo and everything.

Tim

[TAPS Jen]

I don't know much about Elsie, but in Vermont you've got Champ - the Lake Monster of Lake Champlain. Everyone and their great aunt Edna seems to have a sighting story up there!  (even the non-redneck folks...)

[Tim]

I have heard of Champ. There are many stories about Champ. But like most of the Lake Monster Pictures, the ones of Champ that I have seen have all been fuzzy and blurry.
Maybe the Twins can help?

Tim

[PPI Brian]

This book that I got from the library has just a few stories about Elsie. It also has a ton of other stuff that is trippy.
This book gives an address to the Elsie Museum.
199 Graham Ave
Lake Elsinore, CA 92530

No phone number for the Museum listed

Tim

Wow, That's pretty cool. It's not far from the freeway...

Elsie Museum
199 West Graham Avenue
Lake Elsinore, CA 92530-4120
United States

Description The Elsie Museum is housed in a 1913 building. Elsie is a historical lake serpent said to have been in the lake for more than 100 years. The Museum has information on sightings, along with other area information and souvenirs.

I didn't see any business hours listed. But here's some info from SignOnSanDiego.com:

Lake Elsinore, Perris and Hemet have become an international capital for sky diving, soaring, ballooning and other aerial sports. All offer instruction as well as thrilling events for spectators to enjoy.

Each of the three cities has its distinct personality.

Lake Elsinore developed a reputation for paranormal sightings and ghost activity. The Elsie Museum, housed in a 1913 building, celebrates a lake serpent, similar to the Loch Ness Monster, which has been sighted since the 1850s. The Lake Elsinore Resort and Casino features blackjack, pai gow poker and panpoker 24 hours a day. Lil' Bit Country offers horseback and pony rides for kids, trail rides and a petting zoo.

Lake Perris is home to Orange Empire Railway Museum, the largest operating railway museum in the Western United States with more than 200 locomotives on its 64-acre grounds. Lake Perris Recreational Area offers swimming, hiking, biking, horse trails, rock climbing and a regional Indian museum.

Hemet?s Diamond Valley Lake is Southern California's largest reservoir. The facility boasts fishing and kayaking as well as an aquatic center with gym and slide for kids. An education program features the bones of Max, the largest mastodon to be uncovered in the western United States. Hemet is also host to the annual Ramona Pageant, the official outdoor play of the State of California which is based on the novel Ramona by Helen Hunt Jackson.

And I even found an abstract regarding the variability of the lake levels for the last 5800 years. It's an old lake, but not old enough to have a dinosaur. Although I'm not 100% sure, I don't believe this region rose above sea level until about 15 million years ago, long after the dinosaurs became extinct. So why do people still insist on these silly theories?

Abstract? Southern California faces an imminent freshwater shortage. To better assess the future impact of this water crisis, it is essential that we develop continental archives of past hydrological variability. Using four sediment cores from Lake Elsinore in Southern California, we reconstruct late Holocene (3800 calendar years B.P.) hydrological change using a twentieth-century calibrated, proxy methodology. We compared magnetic susceptibility from Lake Elsinore deep basin sediments, lake level from Lake Elsinore, and regional winter precipitation data over the twentieth century to calibrate the late Holocene lake sediment record. The comparison revealed a strong positive, first-order relationship between the three variables. As a working hypothesis, we suggest that periods of greater precipitation produce higher lake levels. Greater precipitation also increases the supply of detritus (i.e., magnetic-rich minerals) from the lake's surrounding drainage basin into the lake environment. As a result, magnetic susceptibility values increase during periods of high lake level. We apply this modern calibration to late Holocene sediments from the lake's littoral zone. As an independent verification of this hypothesis, we analyzed 18O(calcite), interpreted as a proxy for variations in the precipitation:evaporation ratio, which reflect first order hydrological variability. The results of this verification support our hypothesis that magnetic susceptibility records regional hydrological change as related to precipitation and lake level. Using both proxy data, we analyzed the past 3800 calendar years of hydrological variability. Our analyses indicate a long period of dry, less variable climate between 3800 and 2000 calendar years B.P. followed by a wet, more variable climate to the present. These results suggest that droughts of greater magnitude and duration than those observed in the modern record have occurred in the recent geological past. This conclusion presents insight to the potential impact of future droughts on the over-populated, water-poor region of Southern California.
Lake Elsinore - Lake level - Isotopes - Magnetic susceptibility - Precipitation - Southern California

It's an interesting area, but I agree with Brian Johnson... it's a fish. Probably a sturgeon. But now I'm curious and I MUST SEE THE ELSIE MUSEUM.

Brian Miller

[PPI Brian]

Hey!
What's wrong with the twins?
Don't you like them singing.
I'm working on getting thier CD collection.
If it is good enough for Godzilla, it's good enough for me.

Tim

No, I'm a full-on Twins fan--have been, ever since I was a kid.? My friends and I even made a parody of the Mothra movies when we were eighteen. (OK, it was more like when we were twenty-one.)? Besides, how could I hate on anything that stood eight inches tall and dressed like Zhazha Gabor?

Wow, I'm not the only Mothra Twins fan! Too cool!

Here's who the twins REALLY were:

The Peanuts are a Japanese twin sister singing group. They are Ito Emi (Ito Hideyo) and Ito Yumi (Ito Tsukiko). The twins were born in Nagoya on April 1, 1941.

They are probably most known internationally for their appearances in the Mothra and Godzilla movies of the 1960s, in which they appeared as fairies called shobijin (small beauties) who had telepathic communication with Mothra. Although of course now played by different actresses, the characters have continued to appear in the more recent films as well.

They retired from show business on May 25, 1975.

[Tim]

Yeah, I'm kind of leery about this one too.

Sounds kind of fishy to me, dude.

Phoe me once, shame on me. Phoe me twice...

So,
for a man who feared that he was being Phoed you sure have changed your tune on this story.
You can't deny the power of the Twins.

Anyone for a camping trip to Lake Elsinore?

[dwalters]

wow...those twins retired from showbusiness 13 days after I was born 

[PPI Brian]

wow...those twins retired from showbusiness 13 days after I was born?

Wow, you're old, dude.

[PPI Brian]

Hey!
What's wrong with the twins?
Don't you like them singing.
I'm working on getting thier CD collection.
If it is good enough for Godzilla, it's good enough for me.

Tim

No, I'm a full-on Twins fan--have been, ever since I was a kid.? My friends and I even made a parody of the Mothra movies when we were eighteen. (OK, it was more like when we were twenty-one.)? Besides, how could I hate on anything that stood eight inches tall and dressed like Zhazha Gabor?

I really like the attention to detail in this picture. It's such a realistic jungle scene, especially with the potted palm trees. 

Brian Miller

[PPI Karl]

So, for a man who feared that he was being Phoed you sure have changed your tune on this story.

I don't know.  There's that fishy date again:  "The twins were born in Nagoya on April 1, 1941."  Hmmm.  And in this case, "Fool me once" quite literally will mean "Fool me twice."

[dwalters]

fool me twice at once blame on mimi

[PPI Brian]

Tim, I don't know how this thread turned into a Mothra Twins fansite, but, I feel compelled to share this rare interview with you...

http://www.heptune.com/mothra.html

And here's a track from the the Best of Mothra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v37R9hLcA_g&mode=related&search=

Brian Miller

[PPI Brian]

I've got it! I know how to summon Elsie out of Lake Elsinore! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXZbQnNs3Mk

Brian Miller