i got one 9-11

[Todd]

what are ur thoughts i heard it was our government i hear it was another country not sure what to think

so again what are ur thoughts?

-Todd

[ttjoon]

Sorry Todd, maybe I am missing something here.  Thoughts on what? 

(I need more coffee....)

[PPI Karl]

I think he's referring to the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York.  There's been a conspiracy afoot since even before September 11, 2001 that our own government would stage a shill terrorist attack on our own territory, so as to rally Americans to support war in the Middle East (in a very loosely connected way, from Afghanistan and Bin Laden--with whom the Bush family are/were personal friends; no kidding--and onto Iraq).  Todd, can you give us your take on this?

[ttjoon]

Sorry, Karl.  A little tired here. I spent half the night helping Taylor with a school project. Whew...second grade can be tough!

Truly, I think Bush Jr. was resolving Bush Sr.'s unfinished business w/ Sadaam.  9/11 was just an excuse to finish what his father wasn't able to.

Just my opinion.....

[ttjoon]

Todd,
To echo Karl; what is your take on this?

[leslie]

As bad as Bush and our government may be, they are not that evil as to kill 2,000 americans to get the country together and to continue a war. I feel sorry for the families of the victims. They have to hear these crazy conspiracy theories, such as their own country killing their children/parents/husbands/wives. These were terrorist attacks on the US.

[ttjoon]

I agree.  I could've strangled Rosie O'Dumbo when she went off on basically the whole cast of the The View that day, saying there were bombs in the WTC buildings and it wasn't just a terrorist attack. 

[PPI Karl]

As bad as Bush and our government may be, they are not that evil as to kill 2,000 americans to get the country together and to continue a war.

I'm sorry, Leslie.  I don't mean for this comment come on strong, but I think the Bush Administration actually is that evil.  How many good American soldiers have they already led to their deaths just to secure Dick Cheney's investments, and all under the false pretenses of a war on terror?  (I know, I shouldn't open my mouth about politics, but this one is a line in the sand for me.)

We're not going to know the documented truth of it all until the seated members of the current administration are all deceased, anyway--which means another seventy-five years probably.  Just think, it'll be part of someone's history project in the twenty-second century. 

[leslie]

I don't take any offense to anyone's political views. I find everyones opinions interesting. Lets just say I have a very open mind.  I just have many friends in the military and they would disagree that they died for an evil country or to secure Dick Cheney's investments. They are extremely proud for what they do and who they risk their lives for. I don't support the reason they are there either, but they fight hard for our country and risk everything for their fellow soldiers and for us civilians.  The friends I have over there believe they are doing a good job and helping that country. They have told me stories you will never hear the media report because they are positive. I have to say, I don't personaly think they should be there, and I don't agree with Bush's politics, but they would argue with me and my reasons.

[ttjoon]

I was driving home from work yesterday (among the snowflakes) and was listening to NPR.  They were talking about this rouge satellite that Bush is going to have the military shoot down before it crash lands on earth sometime in the next 3 weeks.  At one point I had to laugh out loud because the reporter quoted Bush as saying that he felt it had to be shot down because his number one concern was safety and human lives being at stake.  Maybe the wizard finally gave him a heart..........Nah.  

Maybe if he asks for a brain, he?ll get a two for one deal.  After all, it IS president?s day weekend.   :

[leslie]

He needs to take a trip to The Land of OZ, but never to be given a pair of ruby slippers. 

[dwalters]

Shoot...this man needs a brain, courage, heart.....he's hopeless!

[ttjoon]

Yep Dave.  That about sums it up...

[donaldhicks]

GWB maybe hopeless - but think about who could possibly be our next president... Y'all got three choices, and everyone one of them makes me cringe....

[dwalters]

GWB maybe hopeless - but think about who could possibly be our next president... Y'all got three choices, and everyone one of them makes me cringe....

oh damn dude...my dog can run this country better than bush, and my other dog would be a MUCH better VP than dick.

[TAPS Jen]

I'm w/ Karl. I DO believe the Bush administration is that evil.

The NYC tri-state area is my home. My great uncle was one of the (many) architects that designed the WTC. I was in high school when a smaller plane flew into a tower and when a bomb was set off in another. (neither of which brought it down) Members of my family in the police and fire departments were on the scene that day and friends I grew up w/ were killed in the attack. When I go back to visit, it feels like the attacks happened yesterday.

When I was visiting Europe, the media coverage of the war was very different than what it was Stateside. If you think what we hear is bad...there is a reason the rest of the world hates us right now. When I said I was American when asked, I actually got spit on! I know media everywhere exaggerates, but there were some really, really awful stories - torture, corruption w/ Bush, you name it.

I have a colleague who is providing mental health services in Iraq to soldiers. He said the suicide rate is incredible. Morale is almost nonexistant. Granted the unit he is w/ could be the exception and not the rule.

I think any change in presidency right now could only be a good thing. I hope the war ends and people in every country involved get a chance to begin to heal.

[PPI Brian]

GWB maybe hopeless - but think about who could possibly be our next president... Y'all got three choices, and everyone one of them makes me cringe....

oh damn dude...my dog can run this country better than bush, and my other dog would be a MUCH better VP than dick.

I agree. A President is defined by the cabinet he or she appoints. Bush appointed nothing but dorks and circus clowns. Eight years of lies, corruption and corporate rule have taken their toll on our country and our people. Their lack of leadership and lack of vision led us from unprecented prosperity to unprecented debt and recession. It's time for a change.

[Kristen]

I think the successor to the presidency will yank the troops out pretty quick, as long as it's feasible.  Why does the U.S. have to get involved in everyone elses problems...oh wait, yeah, oil.  The decisions being made "to help the people" is to help the oil industry, which I strictly oppose.  Did you realize that oil companies get so many tax breaks from the federal government that they pretty much don't pay tax at all?  If they had tax levels similar to companies producing "non-fossil" energy, gas would be about $8 or more a gallon.  So why is the government so into oil?  Not because it's cheap, but because the politicians have so much personal stake in that industry that it's actually favored by the government.  This whole green movement was brought about mostly by public demand, and the fact that the goverment wants to look good in the people's eyes.

Sorry for the tangent...the things you learn in tax class.  Anyway, go green and ... the middle east.  Maybe that will help keep us out of there.

[dwalters]

Yep, he's with the dark side alright....

[donaldhicks]

government is in to oil because there are OVER 143,781,000 cars in the USA alone. Which means that the government is into oil because the people of the USA are into oil. and many industries get tax breaks - to keep US industries employing Americans. Without the tax breaks jobs go overseas where everything is cheaper...

[ellie]

Oh yeah, has anyone bothered to check out the unemployment rate? Does anyone know the deficit? I feel like it's a sdg&e metor. It just keeps rolling, or how about no child left behind act? Didn't tuition go up an average of two thousand dollars? I am so confused. If anyone feels that the current administration was or is a good thing, then allow me to refer you to Jen I heard she is pretty good at common psychosis.

[dwalters]

 : :o

[Todd]

Heres a few videos on 911 i found

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJwHlWT6Fs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrKG8OOof1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCr8CyG1Sg&feature=related

he says missle then plane for when it hit the pentagon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX01twhfUK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=related

whats ur thoughts???

[ellie]

I am sure 911 will always be his downfal. Although it seems like those who fight for bushes administration seem to focus on other things. So I like to throw statistics at them. As soon as our countrys debt is braught up they will say that all wars cost money. When you bring up the desire for oil in the usa, they say well you have a car don't you. If you talk about social security they will say, well it's going to run out anyway. If you bring up medical care, they will say something like, take care of yourself and you won't need it. Also if you bring up gay merrige they will say something along the words like, marrige they will say it's because it should be between a man and a woman.

Now this is where it gets kind of cruel.

Our debt in this country is the highest it has ever been in our history, so what are our childrens children and so forth are going to pay for is not their future. They will be paying for Bushes mistakes,was this war really $worth$ it? 

I want to ask him why he cut funds on the search for alternative sources of energy

Why does our country offer free medical care for convicts and terrorists, but not our own people who pay for his war

I want him to witness being in a hospital and watch a marrige between two men or women who have to leave the decision to keep their loved one alive, or to pull the plug,to a hateful family member who couldn't care otherwise.

I just have a few questions for him is all, and yes he has always had a say in all of this. It wasn't just his administration making these dicisions for him. I guess I am even guilty of trying to lie to myself to forget the mistakes I have made, but at least their my mistakes. My mistakes don't affect millions of people!

[ellie]

My spelling is so bad, but the spell check on this thing is not working.

[PPI Brian]

If anyone feels that the current administration was or is a good thing, then allow me to refer you to Jen I heard she is pretty good at common psychosis.

[Todd]

lol well said

[ellie]

I am so sorry. Politics get me all worked up. I know it's unprofessional. Ahhhh! The spell check is up and running again. I think I would not feel so bad about being a bad speller if maybe instead of red underlining, it was pink or purple. I would think my misspelled words were cute and I would show off my stupidity. Just joking. LOL

[TAPS Jen]

Ellie! Spelling things wrong doesn't mean you're stupid - especially when you're writing something that you're passionate about on a message board! You get so eager to get your views and opinions written, it would only be expected that words get misspelled.  My best friend just finished getting her Masters and she calls me constantly to ask how to spell things. Brilliant people aren't necessarily good spellers - that's why bad spelling brilliant people invented spell check!    

[ellie]

OMG Jen if this is the kind of services people get from you, then HOW MUCH DO YOU COST$$