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#91
Documentaries / The Entity - Sleep Paralysis D...
Last post by PPI Brian - November 13, 2015, 05:14:33 PMA documentary regarding sleep paralysis. Warning - you might not want to watch this before going to bed. 
https://youtu.be/jthU9G5PSho
https://youtu.be/jthU9G5PSho
#92
Famous Locations and Cases / Re: Interview with a Poltergei...
Last post by PPI Brian - November 13, 2015, 02:24:57 AMThought Forms seem to be common to most Poltergeist cases that I've read about. The Bell Witch case, the Doris Bither case and the Enfield case all started with objects being manipulated, knocks, and other anomalies, then toward the end a human figure manifested. Tibetan mysticism defines a "Tulpa" as a "Magical Emination" or a paranormal entity that's created by the conscious effort of a focal person. Thought Forms are also described in native American mysticism, and are probably common to many cultures throughout the world. A modern experiment allegedly carried out in a semi-controlled situation was the "Philip Experiment", where a group of students overseen by a Psychologist attempted to "create" a ghost. "Paranormal Theorists Suggest" that poltergeist cases are manifestations of psychokinetic energy created by the "Focal" person. The resulting paranormal activity is not a manifestation of a paranormal entity, but by the mind of the Focal. Over a period of time, a Thought Form begins to take form, and assumes "responsibility" for the paranormal manifestations before dissipating. This field appears to be the case in a majority of poltergeist cases, but not all of them follow this pattern. Of course this is all speculation and not supported by anything other than observation in the field.
Here are a couple of articles on the subject of Thought Forms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa#Thoughtform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_experiment
A few other related videos have surfaced on YouTube regarding the Enfield case:
Here's a great interview with Maurice Gross, who led the SPR investigation of the Enfield Poltergeist case
https://www.youtube.com/v/_OY8CAVNAnA
Here's an incredible interview with the Focal of the Enfield Poltergeist (Janet), Sir Guy Lyon Playfair and a hardcore skeptic.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Dqf7azyYxtQ
An Episode of "Strange But True" featuring the Enfield Poltergeist
https://www.youtube.com/v/P0yOAIXrpH4
Here are a couple of articles on the subject of Thought Forms:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa#Thoughtform
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_experiment
A few other related videos have surfaced on YouTube regarding the Enfield case:
Here's a great interview with Maurice Gross, who led the SPR investigation of the Enfield Poltergeist case
https://www.youtube.com/v/_OY8CAVNAnA
Here's an incredible interview with the Focal of the Enfield Poltergeist (Janet), Sir Guy Lyon Playfair and a hardcore skeptic.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Dqf7azyYxtQ
An Episode of "Strange But True" featuring the Enfield Poltergeist
https://www.youtube.com/v/P0yOAIXrpH4
#93
Famous Locations and Cases / Doris Bither Case - Culver Cit...
Last post by PPI Brian - November 13, 2015, 12:45:46 AMIn 1974-75 Barry Taff conducted an investigation for a single mother of three in a shabby old house in a Los Angeles suburb that has become legendary in the paranormal community -- the Doris Bither case in Culver City, CA. This case became known as "The Entity Case". The details behind the actual investigation are quite compelling, but the film version and the novel took creative liberties that leave much to be desired. As a modern account of a poltergeist case, it captured the imagination of a generations of paranormal investigators, including myself. The following is the text of a blog article written by Dr. Barry Taff.
here's a link to the blog article:
http://barrytaff.net/2011/08/the-real-entity-case-2/
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Contrary to what many people believe, the case of Doris Bither, that later became the novel and motion picture The Entity, was not, in my professional opinion, the result of spectral rape, .a.k.a. spectrophilia, but a rather disturbingly real poltergeist outbreak. Unfortunately, the amassed data on the case does not in any way support ghostly sex, but back in the mid-1970's in my mid-20's, such a notion was intriguing to say the least.
The passage of almost four decades and the experience of thousands of more cases, have provided this author with a rather unique perspective regarding such experiences and claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and while there was plenty of evidence that we were dealing with real paranormal phenomena, it very likely had nothing whatsoever to do with incorporeal sex, except in the minds of Doris and her children.
Doris was very evasive and somewhat cryptic regarding her background, so much so that she refused to even tell us her age, which we knew was older than ours, but not by how many years. Had we pushed Doris hard to reveal more about her hellish past, such efforts on our part might have pushed us right off the case.
Had we even attempted to secure the type of background information we currently collect, such as medical, psychological, family psychodynamics, prescribed medications (names of meds, dosage and duration) as well as recreational drugs and alcohol usage, Doris would surely have shown us the door from the outset. We had no way of knowing just how utterly disturbing of a life she really had led: disowned by her family as a young teenager and cast out to fend for herself.
It's fascinating the way time has a way of providing answers to those who wait. Some years ago, I was contacted by Javier Ortega from Ghost Theory.com to interview me on The Entity case. Somewhat later, Javier also interviewed one of Doris Bither's sons, Brian Harris. Brian spoke to Javier of how his mother was banished by her family while still a teenage due to her rambunctious lifestyle and rebellious nature. How his mom started playing with Ouija Boards and seances at very early age, finally mixing such with drugs and alcohol to quell the irritable psyche within her.
Brian's interview was disturbing at many levels in that he continuously contradicted himself in terms of his responses to all questions asked of him, certainly damaging his credibility as a witness. It was not until Javier interviewed Doris?s other two sons that he learned that Brian was a chip off the old mother?s block in terms of drinking and drugs. However, some of his statements were supported by corroborative testimony by his brothers.
According to Doris's other sons, there were subtle amounts of paranormal phenomena present long before she moved onto Braddock Drive in Culver City, California. They spoke of some psychokinetic events and even the occasional apparition, although I would never refer to such an occurrence as subtle.
However, not long after Doris moved from Santa Monica to Culver City, a strange Hispanic woman appeared at her door warning that her house was a bad or evil dwelling. When Doris asked what the lady was talking about, the mysterious lady simply walked away without further explanation. Shortly thereafter, Doris was beset with the paranormal attacks. Was there a connection, in that the unknown lady knew something ugly about that particular ramshackle tinderbox Doris now lived in, or was this just a coincidence? We'll never really know unless we find that woman, some thirty-seven years later.
Currently, Javier is in the final stages of writing a book about Doris Bither and The Entity case from the perspective of her three male children, which begins long before we made her acquaintance in the summer of 1974. Such detailed information may help us further clarify exactly what occurred and why, some 37 years ago. Although, as it appears that Doris is not available to further study, we must deal with the somewhat fragmented memories of her children.
According to Doris's sons, she passed away in 1999 at the tender young age of 58 from respiratory failure, and as such we'll never really know if Doris fit the longitudinal pattern that has emerged in this type of parapsychological research strongly indicating a link between poltergeist activity and epilepsy/seizure prone individuals coupled with anomalous electromagnetic/geomagnetic environments. It would have been really interesting to have given Doris a full neurophysiological medical workup combined with taking environmental electromagnetic and geomagnetic measurements. Odds are, that such data collection would have revealed the true nature of what was really going on here.
Due to the fame or infamy this case gathered over time, there's an incredible amount of misinformation and disinformation circulating about what did and did not actually occur back in 1974-5. There has even been erroneous scuttlebutt pertaining to when Doris died, to the point where many mistook the death of Barry Conrad's ex-girlfriend, Lisa McIntosh in 2006, as that of Doris Bither. There have also been many people who have claimed that they were part of our lab and were also part of our investigation of this case. There were only three names formally associated with this case, one being Kerry Gaynor, my associate at the time, Dr. Thelma Moss, the head of our former UCLA parapsychology lab (who only visited the site on one occasion), and yours truly.
During the last three decades I can think of at least ten different people who've claimed to have worked with us on this case. Some of them I've never even met and would not even know if standing next to in a room. Over those many years, people in other states have even claimed that The Entity case occurred in their own backyard, not here in a suburb of Los Angeles. Put simply, they're all lying or emotionally disturbed.
In recent years. several others have surfaced, who were even more blatant and deceptive in the claims. One of them has recently been boasting to have worked in our lab, where we were allegedly training him as a medium to work for the U.S. government when he was well under eighteen years of age at the time. This man is either a seriously disgusting opportunist, delusional or just psychotic.
Neither our lab, nor the U.S. government, has ever trained anyone as mediums, and we were not even allowed to work with anyone under the age of eighteen due to the university's Human Use Committee regulations. Such people should at least check their historical facts before pontificating.
More recently, a psychopathic woman has appeared on the scene who has been attempting to take credit for every case on the book, such as the one mentioned in chapter three ("A Hazardous Haunting") of my book as well as The Entity case. You can read more about this criminally insane excuse of a human female on this site at "A Demon's Lair". This is one seriously frightening person to be around. If one needs to chase a demon, there's one just waiting for you in La Crescenta. But beware; your valuables might mysteriously disappear while in her presence. Trust me on this, as this paranormal predator has stolen very large sums of money from her her benefactor (the man she lives with). Spend time with her at your own risk. This is not a joke.
As there are no academic credentials required for anyone to go out and investigate the paranormal as they try emulating the garbage they've seen on cable TV paranormal reality shows, every uneducated and ignorant new age groupie is out there looking for demons. Like I just said, there's one in La Crescenta waiting to be captured and disposed of. What are you waiting for?
To fully comprehend the possibility that a living person's subconscious mind can involuntarily generate such power as to manifest luminous anomalies, apparitions and macroscopic psychokinetic events, is for me, far more compelling than if a discarnate intelligence was responsible.
My assessment and conclusions are fully discussed within Chapter 2 (The Real Life Entity Case) of my book Aliens Above, Ghosts Below: Explorations of the Unknown.
The following is written by GhostTheory.com's Javier Ortega:
I never imagined being in the place in which I stand today. For years, I?ve read about the Doris Bither case and thought that such claims as "spectral rape" were of the most absurd things that I've ever heard.
Although I was highly skeptical about this case, something inside of me was always terrified when I would read over the case details just for fun. What I never imagined was I being involved in such manner with this case.
A case that officially began in 1974, but has a much longer and darker history to it. Four years before my birth, a single mother of four, living under dire circumstances, battled unseen forces that physically assaulted her and her children in a small house in Culver City, California. Thirty-seven years later, I find myself believing that Doris did suffer some paranormal assaults against her body. Assaults from unseen forces in which Doris was, and always had been, the catalyst to.
There are three journals sitting on my desk that are full of notes. These notes are my prized possession. It took me years to catalog in a chronological order the major events in Doris' life. With the help of Doris? eldest son, I managed to get an insight to the life of Doris Bither. A life full of abandonment, abuse and a very deep and dark void. As I sometimes glance through my journals, I can't help but feel that Doris' psychodynamics with her family, started her off in a wrong direction in life.
It only became worse, after an adolescent Doris Bither got mixed up with the dark side of seances. Something that at first seemed like bar trick to impress her friends, became an obsession that quickly spun out of control. Sending Doris in a hellish ride that continued on until the final moments of her life.
Although there is much more to Doris' life and haunting that I can mention in this article, I can tell you that all the evidence leads up to this being a case of extraordinary psychokinetic powers.
Or at least that's how I see things.
Dr. Barry Taff is correct when he stated that Brian Harris seemed to contradict himself when I interviewed him. Although this is evident in the interview, I don't believe this was done with intent.
As I recall, when talking with Brian for a few hours over the phone, he seemed extremely agitated and very emotional over the fact that some things that were written about his mother were not true.
He was so emotional that it was apparent how jumbled his thoughts were at the moment. Mr. Harris just wanted to get the facts out there about his mother. He is the middle child and remembers a few things quite clearly.
"She was no drunk. Sure she liked to drink every now and then, but not the way they [investigators] painted her." I listened intently as the sound of his voice cracked a little.
"And all that stuff about her manifesting these entities because of there being three young males in the house that created this 'tension' is all crap! These things were real! I saw them and they saw us."
I do believe Mr. Harris experienced things that his other brothers did not.
There was a time when one of the children was slapped by an unseen hand during the middle of the night. Another story involves one of the boys bumping into an invisible person in the hallway.
The boys all experienced and saw different things throughout the years, but the bottom-line is that they ALL experienced something in that house. Something that was paranormal.
I had mention to Dr. Taff when we first met that Doris was visited by an old Mexican lady when she had first moved in to the house in Braddock drive.
She received a knock at the front door and was surprised to see an old Mexican woman standing there. Possibly in her 70s or 80s, the woman seemed somber and was there to delivery a chilling message:
"You need to get out! I used to live here in this old house, back when it was just a farm and I was a little girl. There is something very evil here. This place is haunted and you need to get out!"
The old Mexican woman left without saying another word. This warning unnerved both Doris and her eldest son. It was only a few months after that dire warning that the attacks began.
The life of Doris is plagued with demons both literally and figuratively speaking. Because of the vast amount of information that I was privileged to have, Doris eldest son and I have been talking about converting his memories of the time spent on Braddock drive into a book. A book that I've been working on for some time and expect to finish soon. The book contains major events in Doris? life in a chronological order. From the day she abandoned her family in Illinois, to her final days.
Doris Bither passed away alone in a room, a room from which her son reported seeing balls of light appear just like they did back in the early 70s. You see, Doris died a haunted woman.
The book is a project in the works and I expect to have it complete late this year.
This will be a first-hand account of Doris?s eldest son. The dark past he knew about his mother, his experiences during the time spent on Braddock drive and his adult life with his mother. This is a non-fiction piece, based on meticulous research into the case. With the help from the good folks over at the Los Angeles County Hall of Records and Doris? family, I piece together the history of one of the greatest cases in the annals of the paranormal.
Javier Ortega
August, 6, 2011
Los Angeles, CA
here's a link to the blog article:
http://barrytaff.net/2011/08/the-real-entity-case-2/
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Contrary to what many people believe, the case of Doris Bither, that later became the novel and motion picture The Entity, was not, in my professional opinion, the result of spectral rape, .a.k.a. spectrophilia, but a rather disturbingly real poltergeist outbreak. Unfortunately, the amassed data on the case does not in any way support ghostly sex, but back in the mid-1970's in my mid-20's, such a notion was intriguing to say the least.
The passage of almost four decades and the experience of thousands of more cases, have provided this author with a rather unique perspective regarding such experiences and claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and while there was plenty of evidence that we were dealing with real paranormal phenomena, it very likely had nothing whatsoever to do with incorporeal sex, except in the minds of Doris and her children.
Doris was very evasive and somewhat cryptic regarding her background, so much so that she refused to even tell us her age, which we knew was older than ours, but not by how many years. Had we pushed Doris hard to reveal more about her hellish past, such efforts on our part might have pushed us right off the case.
Had we even attempted to secure the type of background information we currently collect, such as medical, psychological, family psychodynamics, prescribed medications (names of meds, dosage and duration) as well as recreational drugs and alcohol usage, Doris would surely have shown us the door from the outset. We had no way of knowing just how utterly disturbing of a life she really had led: disowned by her family as a young teenager and cast out to fend for herself.
It's fascinating the way time has a way of providing answers to those who wait. Some years ago, I was contacted by Javier Ortega from Ghost Theory.com to interview me on The Entity case. Somewhat later, Javier also interviewed one of Doris Bither's sons, Brian Harris. Brian spoke to Javier of how his mother was banished by her family while still a teenage due to her rambunctious lifestyle and rebellious nature. How his mom started playing with Ouija Boards and seances at very early age, finally mixing such with drugs and alcohol to quell the irritable psyche within her.
Brian's interview was disturbing at many levels in that he continuously contradicted himself in terms of his responses to all questions asked of him, certainly damaging his credibility as a witness. It was not until Javier interviewed Doris?s other two sons that he learned that Brian was a chip off the old mother?s block in terms of drinking and drugs. However, some of his statements were supported by corroborative testimony by his brothers.
According to Doris's other sons, there were subtle amounts of paranormal phenomena present long before she moved onto Braddock Drive in Culver City, California. They spoke of some psychokinetic events and even the occasional apparition, although I would never refer to such an occurrence as subtle.
However, not long after Doris moved from Santa Monica to Culver City, a strange Hispanic woman appeared at her door warning that her house was a bad or evil dwelling. When Doris asked what the lady was talking about, the mysterious lady simply walked away without further explanation. Shortly thereafter, Doris was beset with the paranormal attacks. Was there a connection, in that the unknown lady knew something ugly about that particular ramshackle tinderbox Doris now lived in, or was this just a coincidence? We'll never really know unless we find that woman, some thirty-seven years later.
Currently, Javier is in the final stages of writing a book about Doris Bither and The Entity case from the perspective of her three male children, which begins long before we made her acquaintance in the summer of 1974. Such detailed information may help us further clarify exactly what occurred and why, some 37 years ago. Although, as it appears that Doris is not available to further study, we must deal with the somewhat fragmented memories of her children.
According to Doris's sons, she passed away in 1999 at the tender young age of 58 from respiratory failure, and as such we'll never really know if Doris fit the longitudinal pattern that has emerged in this type of parapsychological research strongly indicating a link between poltergeist activity and epilepsy/seizure prone individuals coupled with anomalous electromagnetic/geomagnetic environments. It would have been really interesting to have given Doris a full neurophysiological medical workup combined with taking environmental electromagnetic and geomagnetic measurements. Odds are, that such data collection would have revealed the true nature of what was really going on here.
Due to the fame or infamy this case gathered over time, there's an incredible amount of misinformation and disinformation circulating about what did and did not actually occur back in 1974-5. There has even been erroneous scuttlebutt pertaining to when Doris died, to the point where many mistook the death of Barry Conrad's ex-girlfriend, Lisa McIntosh in 2006, as that of Doris Bither. There have also been many people who have claimed that they were part of our lab and were also part of our investigation of this case. There were only three names formally associated with this case, one being Kerry Gaynor, my associate at the time, Dr. Thelma Moss, the head of our former UCLA parapsychology lab (who only visited the site on one occasion), and yours truly.
During the last three decades I can think of at least ten different people who've claimed to have worked with us on this case. Some of them I've never even met and would not even know if standing next to in a room. Over those many years, people in other states have even claimed that The Entity case occurred in their own backyard, not here in a suburb of Los Angeles. Put simply, they're all lying or emotionally disturbed.
In recent years. several others have surfaced, who were even more blatant and deceptive in the claims. One of them has recently been boasting to have worked in our lab, where we were allegedly training him as a medium to work for the U.S. government when he was well under eighteen years of age at the time. This man is either a seriously disgusting opportunist, delusional or just psychotic.
Neither our lab, nor the U.S. government, has ever trained anyone as mediums, and we were not even allowed to work with anyone under the age of eighteen due to the university's Human Use Committee regulations. Such people should at least check their historical facts before pontificating.
More recently, a psychopathic woman has appeared on the scene who has been attempting to take credit for every case on the book, such as the one mentioned in chapter three ("A Hazardous Haunting") of my book as well as The Entity case. You can read more about this criminally insane excuse of a human female on this site at "A Demon's Lair". This is one seriously frightening person to be around. If one needs to chase a demon, there's one just waiting for you in La Crescenta. But beware; your valuables might mysteriously disappear while in her presence. Trust me on this, as this paranormal predator has stolen very large sums of money from her her benefactor (the man she lives with). Spend time with her at your own risk. This is not a joke.
As there are no academic credentials required for anyone to go out and investigate the paranormal as they try emulating the garbage they've seen on cable TV paranormal reality shows, every uneducated and ignorant new age groupie is out there looking for demons. Like I just said, there's one in La Crescenta waiting to be captured and disposed of. What are you waiting for?
To fully comprehend the possibility that a living person's subconscious mind can involuntarily generate such power as to manifest luminous anomalies, apparitions and macroscopic psychokinetic events, is for me, far more compelling than if a discarnate intelligence was responsible.
My assessment and conclusions are fully discussed within Chapter 2 (The Real Life Entity Case) of my book Aliens Above, Ghosts Below: Explorations of the Unknown.
The following is written by GhostTheory.com's Javier Ortega:
I never imagined being in the place in which I stand today. For years, I?ve read about the Doris Bither case and thought that such claims as "spectral rape" were of the most absurd things that I've ever heard.
Although I was highly skeptical about this case, something inside of me was always terrified when I would read over the case details just for fun. What I never imagined was I being involved in such manner with this case.
A case that officially began in 1974, but has a much longer and darker history to it. Four years before my birth, a single mother of four, living under dire circumstances, battled unseen forces that physically assaulted her and her children in a small house in Culver City, California. Thirty-seven years later, I find myself believing that Doris did suffer some paranormal assaults against her body. Assaults from unseen forces in which Doris was, and always had been, the catalyst to.
There are three journals sitting on my desk that are full of notes. These notes are my prized possession. It took me years to catalog in a chronological order the major events in Doris' life. With the help of Doris? eldest son, I managed to get an insight to the life of Doris Bither. A life full of abandonment, abuse and a very deep and dark void. As I sometimes glance through my journals, I can't help but feel that Doris' psychodynamics with her family, started her off in a wrong direction in life.
It only became worse, after an adolescent Doris Bither got mixed up with the dark side of seances. Something that at first seemed like bar trick to impress her friends, became an obsession that quickly spun out of control. Sending Doris in a hellish ride that continued on until the final moments of her life.
Although there is much more to Doris' life and haunting that I can mention in this article, I can tell you that all the evidence leads up to this being a case of extraordinary psychokinetic powers.
Or at least that's how I see things.
Dr. Barry Taff is correct when he stated that Brian Harris seemed to contradict himself when I interviewed him. Although this is evident in the interview, I don't believe this was done with intent.
As I recall, when talking with Brian for a few hours over the phone, he seemed extremely agitated and very emotional over the fact that some things that were written about his mother were not true.
He was so emotional that it was apparent how jumbled his thoughts were at the moment. Mr. Harris just wanted to get the facts out there about his mother. He is the middle child and remembers a few things quite clearly.
"She was no drunk. Sure she liked to drink every now and then, but not the way they [investigators] painted her." I listened intently as the sound of his voice cracked a little.
"And all that stuff about her manifesting these entities because of there being three young males in the house that created this 'tension' is all crap! These things were real! I saw them and they saw us."
I do believe Mr. Harris experienced things that his other brothers did not.
There was a time when one of the children was slapped by an unseen hand during the middle of the night. Another story involves one of the boys bumping into an invisible person in the hallway.
The boys all experienced and saw different things throughout the years, but the bottom-line is that they ALL experienced something in that house. Something that was paranormal.
I had mention to Dr. Taff when we first met that Doris was visited by an old Mexican lady when she had first moved in to the house in Braddock drive.
She received a knock at the front door and was surprised to see an old Mexican woman standing there. Possibly in her 70s or 80s, the woman seemed somber and was there to delivery a chilling message:
"You need to get out! I used to live here in this old house, back when it was just a farm and I was a little girl. There is something very evil here. This place is haunted and you need to get out!"
The old Mexican woman left without saying another word. This warning unnerved both Doris and her eldest son. It was only a few months after that dire warning that the attacks began.
The life of Doris is plagued with demons both literally and figuratively speaking. Because of the vast amount of information that I was privileged to have, Doris eldest son and I have been talking about converting his memories of the time spent on Braddock drive into a book. A book that I've been working on for some time and expect to finish soon. The book contains major events in Doris? life in a chronological order. From the day she abandoned her family in Illinois, to her final days.
Doris Bither passed away alone in a room, a room from which her son reported seeing balls of light appear just like they did back in the early 70s. You see, Doris died a haunted woman.
The book is a project in the works and I expect to have it complete late this year.
This will be a first-hand account of Doris?s eldest son. The dark past he knew about his mother, his experiences during the time spent on Braddock drive and his adult life with his mother. This is a non-fiction piece, based on meticulous research into the case. With the help from the good folks over at the Los Angeles County Hall of Records and Doris? family, I piece together the history of one of the greatest cases in the annals of the paranormal.
Javier Ortega
August, 6, 2011
Los Angeles, CA
#94
Open Forum / Re: Mark and Debby Constantino...
Last post by PPI Brian - October 14, 2015, 02:19:17 PMI remember that investigation. Tim and I watched you all on a streaming web server and witnessed some of the bickering between them.
#95
Open Forum / Re: Mark and Debby Constantino...
Last post by PPI Tracy - October 12, 2015, 09:33:02 PMI know this horrible tragedy happened a few weeks ago but I wanted to share my thoughts, if that is okay.
I remember several years ago when Leslie Shapiro and I (when we were temporarily insane and still with the group-that-shall-not-be-named), drove up to Wolfe Manor in Clovis, CA to do a live investigation. Two of the people that were with us up there were the Constantino's. Leslie and I did an EVP session with just the two of them up in the attic that lasted about two hours or so. During that time, I had this feeling as though Debby wore the pants, while Mark fumed and burned, just under the surface. She would say things to provoke not the "spirits" but to provoke Mark. You could almost hear him swallow the words he wanted to say. Digesting his anger, almost choking on it at the same time. I remember thinking to myself that evening that Mark must not respect himself and Debby definitely didn't respect him. I spent an hour in another area of the house doing an additional EVP session that lasted about 30 minutes. During that time, I recall that Mark just said anything he could to make Debby wrong. It was like he wanted to make her look or feel stupid. They bickered constantly, off camera, and I do remember an argument that they had (yelling) in the dirt lot out in back of Wolfe Manor. It was as if they went on this type of behavioral automatic pilot when they were around the cameras and as quick as they were turned off, they jumped right back into a destructive pattern of treating each other. They also did this as if no one else could hear or observe them. Like they were somehow in this bubble and it was just the two of them, even when many others were present.
I have thought often about that night and what I witnessed. I've thought about it in a sad kind of way, here in there over the years. I'm not sure why, because I really didn't "know them" personally. Their hurtful way they treated each other did stay with me though. When I read what happened, I was shocked, yet....I wasn't. I'm sure that might sound horrible, but it is the truth.
Anyway, not sure why I wanted to share this. I guess I just needed to. I feel terrible for the family and friends they both left behind. There are no answers to a crime like this, as much as we would like to draw parallels and try to write out a story that makes sense in our brains and emotions. I do hope wherever Mark and Debby are, they somehow made peace with each other's souls and are able to move to a place to feel that peace....whether together or apart.
I remember several years ago when Leslie Shapiro and I (when we were temporarily insane and still with the group-that-shall-not-be-named), drove up to Wolfe Manor in Clovis, CA to do a live investigation. Two of the people that were with us up there were the Constantino's. Leslie and I did an EVP session with just the two of them up in the attic that lasted about two hours or so. During that time, I had this feeling as though Debby wore the pants, while Mark fumed and burned, just under the surface. She would say things to provoke not the "spirits" but to provoke Mark. You could almost hear him swallow the words he wanted to say. Digesting his anger, almost choking on it at the same time. I remember thinking to myself that evening that Mark must not respect himself and Debby definitely didn't respect him. I spent an hour in another area of the house doing an additional EVP session that lasted about 30 minutes. During that time, I recall that Mark just said anything he could to make Debby wrong. It was like he wanted to make her look or feel stupid. They bickered constantly, off camera, and I do remember an argument that they had (yelling) in the dirt lot out in back of Wolfe Manor. It was as if they went on this type of behavioral automatic pilot when they were around the cameras and as quick as they were turned off, they jumped right back into a destructive pattern of treating each other. They also did this as if no one else could hear or observe them. Like they were somehow in this bubble and it was just the two of them, even when many others were present.
I have thought often about that night and what I witnessed. I've thought about it in a sad kind of way, here in there over the years. I'm not sure why, because I really didn't "know them" personally. Their hurtful way they treated each other did stay with me though. When I read what happened, I was shocked, yet....I wasn't. I'm sure that might sound horrible, but it is the truth.
Anyway, not sure why I wanted to share this. I guess I just needed to. I feel terrible for the family and friends they both left behind. There are no answers to a crime like this, as much as we would like to draw parallels and try to write out a story that makes sense in our brains and emotions. I do hope wherever Mark and Debby are, they somehow made peace with each other's souls and are able to move to a place to feel that peace....whether together or apart.
#96
Community Events / Re: PPI Presents: October 2015
Last post by PPI Marlene - October 12, 2015, 02:06:04 PMThanks Debra!
#97
Community Events / Re: PPI Presents: October 2015
Last post by PPI Debra - October 10, 2015, 11:53:56 PMQuote from: PPI Marlene on October 08, 2015, 01:09:53 PM
haha Karl love it! "Let it go, Let it go"......... I had a great time and thought everyone did awesome! I always love listening to what everyone has to say. After I got home, I realized that I had wanted to talk about more things and forgot to bring them up. Oh well. I'm bummed now that I have to miss the next two! Great job team! Love you all!
Marlene,
You are great to work with!
#98
Community Events / Re: PPI Presents: October 2015
Last post by PPI Tim - October 08, 2015, 07:19:44 PMThat is how it starts Marlene. It is not as scary as you think. Practice makes perfect. Doing the presentations is fun.
#99
Community Events / Re: PPI Presents: October 2015
Last post by PPI Marlene - October 08, 2015, 01:09:53 PMhaha Karl love it! "Let it go, Let it go"......... I had a great time and thought everyone did awesome! I always love listening to what everyone has to say. After I got home, I realized that I had wanted to talk about more things and forgot to bring them up. Oh well. I'm bummed now that I have to miss the next two! Great job team! Love you all!
#100
Community Events / Re: PPI Presents: October 2015
Last post by PPI Karl - October 08, 2015, 11:37:16 AMHey, Tracy! How do? Good to see you back.
Solid job, everyone, last night. (Brian, don't make me start singing the anthem from "Frozen.")
Solid job, everyone, last night. (Brian, don't make me start singing the anthem from "Frozen.")