I am sooooo curious about Ouija Boards. Growing up, Ouija Boards were as big of a taboo as getting 666 tattooed on your face. If you ever wanted to see people running and screaming down the aisles, just bring out an Ouija Board. Eventually, I bought one. I bought one, tried it, and nothing happened. Everyone I knew freaked out when they found out I had one, and someone eventually threw it out.
Bookstores sell spellbooks and Satanic Bibles. Toys R Us sold Ouija Boards. Why is it that spellbooks or bibles become coffee table conversation pieces, but Ouija Boards strike terror in the hearts of men and are burned at the stake at first sight? I mean, I believe there is a "Made in China" or "Made in Taiwan" or something to that effect stamped on it somewhere.
I view an Ouija Board the same as a crystal ball, tarot cards, or a spellbook....a tool when I'm feeling "spooky" or as entertainment when I'm not. Either way, I don't have the view that, by buying an Ouija Board, I am buying my own doorway to the evil spirit world. {8I Any thoughts?
Lillie,
In the annuls of paranormal literature, the Ouija board appears to be connected to more incidences of disturbing negative spirits than the other tools you mention.
There is a big difference between an oracle (tarot cards, crystal ball, runes, I Ching), and a tool to contact disembodied spirits (Ouija board, angel board). Consulting an oracle is a way of centering your self and talking to the "inner sage". This is an introverted process. The Ouija board is an extroverted process: you are asking for contact with entities outside of your psyche. This is the same as allowing yourself to be a medium, where spirits use your body. With an Ouija board they are borrowing your energy and using your arm. An oracle is simply tapping into your inner self. In Christian cultures, there is a big misunderstanding regarding the use of oracles, and they have been labeled as the same evil as the Ouija board. There are misguided people who use oracles , believing they are contacting spirits.
Psychologist Carl Jung studied oracles and found them to be statistically significant in regards to synchronicity : two or more things connected acausally (i.e. with no chain of action and consequences.) He found that observing synchronicity enhanced one's ability to achieve their hidden innate potentials (individuation).
Speaking personally, I have collected/studied/used Tarot cards now for 36 years, with no trouble with spirits or entities. However, my brief used of a Ouija board as a teen did cause a problem that was solved by burning it. I have found similar stories among other people.
Hi Debra :) I can see what your saying about the differences between Ouija Boards and tarot cards, etc. Makes sense. I have never heard of Angel Boards. What exactly are they? My mom and many of the women in my culture growing up used to read cups and tarot cards. I was learning at one time. I see what your saying about introverted vs. extroverted. That makes sense to me too. I would be very interested in hearing about what happened with the Ouija Board, if it's something you'd be willing to share. If not, I totally understand. :)
Lillie PPI:
"I have never heard of Angel Boards. What exactly are they? "
When the "new age" market exploded, people redesigned the Ouija board into "angel boards", "message boards", etc. I think they believed that inserting angel names would alter the darker side of using a board. (Re-polarizing with words is a form of magical thinking.)
I've always thought that angels--whatever they are--- would be too busy doing whatever they were designed to do, and they wouldn't hanging out near message boards waiting to talk to us mortals! (Unless heaven has a new department: "Angels Designated to Talk to Humans Through Message Boards".)
As for my own experiences with a board, it's better told in person. Upstate NY, were I was dropped on the planet and raised, has a rich history of spiritualism, seances, Ouija boards. Look into the history of the Mormon Church & Joseph Smith, or the woman's suffragette movement.
Any way, it didn't take long for an entity to show up and create a family drama that no one has forgotten!
Wow, Debra...that's interesting!
I always believed that everyone has a Guardian Angel, and that his or her angel is always there when called upon. During some hard times in my life, I literally looked up at the sky, told God that I needed help, and asked God to please send me my Guardian Angel to help me. I didn't know if there really was a God or if I really had a Guardian Angel. It was the only thing I could think of to reach out for. But as soon as I said this, a serious feeling of calmness, warmth, peace, and protection came over me every single time. Years later, I still do this, and the feelings still come over me each and every time. I truly do believe there is a God (in some form), and that I have a Guardian Angel that (as busy as he/she is) is there for me whenever I call. I don't know if we all have just one or if one angel has many. I just think it works out somehow. I like believing this. 0:<
Going back to the Angel Board and Ouija Board....I could see demons and evil spirits waiting for a portal to be opened to enter our plane or to communicate with us. I could see them literally stalking any avenue for contact. I see an Angel Board as being quite different then. I see it more of as a summoning tool that angels would answer, as opposed to waiting at the door. I agree with you that angels would be way to busy to be waiting at any door for us to call. I think they come to us from wherever they are when we ask for them.
I can't wait to meet you and talk to you in person. :)
I have had experiences similar to yours when praying to the angels. I also believe in them.
I have studied, and done paintings about the mythos of the angels. Very fascinating!
Among the Tibetans (Nyingma) they have Dakinis, who are in some ways, like the angels, and fascinating as well.
On the National Public Radio website, there is a story about a rock group, Mars Volta, and what happened when they brought a Ouija board into the studio: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18513345 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18513345)
:o
I read the article about Mars Volta....what a trip!
Angels have always been a part of my life and always will be. 0:< I will look up Dakinis and read what they are about.
Thank you, Debra. :)
:)
In the news today:
a pink ouija board for tots: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/Default.aspx?id=879430 (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/Default.aspx?id=879430)
Pink Hello Kitty alarm clock = GOOD
Pink Ouija Boards = BAD
What's next, Baby's First Exorcism kit with candy rosary?
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on February 04, 2010, 03:01:41 PM
In the news today:
a pink ouija board for tots: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/Default.aspx?id=879430 (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Business/Default.aspx?id=879430)
OMG. I want to vomit right now. >:[
Being the mother of a 10 year old little girl, there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that I would bring this into my home or even DREAM of letting her have this. She's too smart for that anyway.
I had some seriously frightening experiences with this as a child that I will never forget. These are not toys...I don't care what anyone says.
OMG. I want to vomit right now. >:[
Being the mother of a 10 year old little girl, there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that I would bring this into my home or even DREAM of letting her have this. She's too smart for that anyway.
I had some seriously frightening experiences with this as a child that I will never forget. These are not toys...I don't care what anyone says.
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Tracy,
I feel the same way you do. (My daughter is 24,now.) When I saw the news story, I was shocked, even horrified. It's so wrong!
I wonder if there will be an increase in reported paranormal phenomena after these are dumped the market...
sigh
Looks like I may have to make a trip to Toys R Us! I want to debunk this little kids toy. They might as well start selling knives and gun ammunition in the Barbie isle. Geez.
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on February 04, 2010, 04:47:18 PM
OMG. I want to vomit right now. >:[
Being the mother of a 10 year old little girl, there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL that I would bring this into my home or even DREAM of letting her have this. She's too smart for that anyway.
I had some seriously frightening experiences with this as a child that I will never forget. These are not toys...I don't care what anyone says.
Tracy,
I feel the same way you do. (My daughter is 24,now.) When I saw the news story, I was shocked, even horrified. It's so
wrong!
I wonder if there will be an increase in reported paranormal phenomena after these are dumped the market...
sigh
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Oh, there will be an increase alright. An increase of traumatized children.
Quote from: PPI Gary on February 04, 2010, 05:00:15 PM
Looks like I may have to make a trip to Toys R Us! I want to debunk this little kids toy. They might as well start selling knives and gun ammunition in the Barbie isle. Geez.
Debunk huh? You ever used one before, Gary? It's far from a "little kid's toy". I wish it were that harmless.
As far as selling those things in the Barbie aisle, have you not seen "Commando Barbie" and her side kick, "Kick Your Ass Ken"?
Quote from: TAPS Tracy on February 04, 2010, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: PPI Gary on February 04, 2010, 05:00:15 PM
Looks like I may have to make a trip to Toys R Us! I want to debunk this little kids toy. They might as well start selling knives and gun ammunition in the Barbie isle. Geez.
Debunk huh? You ever used one before, Gary? It's far from a "little kid's toy". I wish it were that harmless.
As far as selling those things in the Barbie aisle, have you not seen "Commando Barbie" and her side kick, "Kick Your Ass Ken"?
Hey Tracy, I have never used a Ouija Board... and I totally agree that it is NOT a toy, and shouldn't be messed with, especially by anyone younger than 18..... and maybe older! I just have a hard time believing that a pink Ouija sold in a toy store would even work. Does it say "Batteries Not Included"?
It probably says "made in China" where all the other poison comes from.
curiouser and curiouser:
the pink board gives a percentage of profits to cancer research, like that would alter the negative karma.
???
NOT!
I checked out toysrus.com and hasbro.com who is the maker of the pink Ouija Board, or so the article says. I wasn't able to find it on either website, so it's either been removed already, or something else.
I found this one on both sites.
http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=8F00D4B0-6D40-1014-8BF0-9EFBF894F9D4&product_id=9470&src=endeca
There is one available here:
http://www.amazon.com/Ouija-Board-Pink/dp/B001HEKJ2M/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1265338114&sr=8-4 (http://www.amazon.com/Ouija-Board-Pink/dp/B001HEKJ2M/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1265338114&sr=8-4)
It's not sold Amazon, but an independent retailer.
Remind me to paint all of my hollow-points pink so they don't look so lethal.
Quote from: PPI Lillie on February 04, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
Remind me to paint all of my hollow-points pink so they don't look so lethal.
NICE!!! >:]
Quote from: PPI Lillie on February 04, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
Remind me to paint all of my hollow-points pink so they don't look so lethal.
OMG!!! That is the BEST damn analogy I have EVER heard! I love it!!!!
Okay, so dang!!! I searched you tube to see what kinda home made movies had been put up of people using Ouija Boards. I watched 2. The first one, I'm not sure about, but it could have been convincing. Not worth talking about. The second one, well, was pretty disturbing. A small group of teenage 15-16 years old. They weren't using the typical looking board, it was different looking and they were using a glass. With 3 other their hands on the glass, it was sliding all around the board quickly. After a few seconds, one of the girls clearly becomes under control of something NOT good... I'm getting goose bumps just typing this, HA! You can see her eyes almost rolling into the back of her head and her body stiffens up tremendously. 2 other girls start crying hysterically after the one girl starts bleeding from her mouth while 2 other girls are shaking her and trying to figure out whats wrong!!! After about 30 seconds, she seems to have come back, and was crying. Holy crap man, I don't know if this was fake, it seriously was good acting if not. I have to say I was just waiting for a scary face and loud scream to pop up and scare me, but that was not needed!
With that said, here is the link.... WARNING: this IS disturbing.... real or fake!??!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh4uK3YHsNQ
If it's not an act, it's possible she started to suffer a small seizure during this ouija board session. The whole thing about grabbing uncontrollably, eyes rolling back, and biting her tongue--all symptoms of seizure, the very phenomenon that used to be treated like demonic possession back in the day.
Will she go see her doctor to rule that out, though? Nope. Because the circumstances have probably solidified the idea in her head that she was possessed, and her friends being witnesses to the event will only reinforce that. Anyway, that's my take. :)
Ouija Boards. Lol.
I don't mind testing one out. If you like you can put me in a room by myself in the dark with a bunch of candles and play some scary music. You can even make me a helmet (you know, the kind where you can put two beers on each side and suck on them through a long rubber tube) and put candles in there instead. This thing is all psychology. That board scares me only just slightly more than Parchesi and slightly less then "Killer Bunnies and the Quest for the Magic Carrot."
(http://www.pacificparanormal.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2796.0;attach=1121)
William Carpenter was supposedly one of the first to debunk it in the 19th century. He described the phenomenon as "Ideomotor Response."
Penn and Teller did an interesting demonstration of this on their show. Though I thought they were pretty disrespectful to people with spiritual beliefs (I don't for one second believe that people are idiots for believing in the power of Ouija Boards. I simply, and respectfully, disagree). But their video on Youtube does show a good demonstration of the "ideomotor action" that Carpenter described.
http://www.youtube.com/v/JA5uYhXpa-E&hl=en_US&fs=1&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA5uYhXpa-E&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA5uYhXpa-E&feature=related)
I think it's important to note that some people consider what we do, during a typical investigative vigil, to be essentially the same thing as using a Ouija Board. Think about it. We sit in the dark trying to communicate with spirits. The last time I checked, none of us was ever possessed (though I did feel something evil inside me during that one vigil when I had two Monster energy drinks. And I peed green the next day.... ALL DAY).
This smart ass post sponsored by Monster Engergy Drinks, tm. The official energy drink of PPI.
Hmmm. I agree about the seizures. The only thing about that is, do people experiencing seizures usually have the ability to speak? I have no experience with being around that, and she probably didn't go to the doctor. I never got to see any seizures during my EMT experience, but I was taught about them, and how to control the situation if someone was to experience one.
Okay, so she had a seizure.... I think I'm ready to try it out myself!
You know, I have told this story before about my first and only experience with the Ouija Board. I have thought and re-thought this a million times through and I simply cannot come up with another explanation of the events that ocurred when I used it.
When I was 12, I lived in Huntington Beach. My friend Sandra who was the same age, brought her OB over to my house one Saturday, just to goof around with it. We didn't think there was anything wrong with it. No harm, right? We sat at my kitchen table. It was the middle of the afternoon. My Mom was home and was doing stuff around the house here and there, stopping to look in on us now and then. After a while, she heard us asking the board if whoever we were "talking to" believed in God. That is when she walked into the room and leaned against the wall and just watched. It had been moving around for us here and there and I think that deep down we thought that the other person had been moving the planchette. Anyway, when we asked the question about God, it failed to move. We asked again and as God as my witness, the planchette launched...yes, launched....across the dining room, point first and smashed into my mother's maple bookcase, thus putting a huge gash/dent into the side of it. It then just fell to the floor.
Now I know I didn't do it and by the look on my friend's face, I know she didn't do it. Even if one of us HAD done it, there would be no way that we could make this little piece of plastic fly 8 feet across the room with enough force to hit that book case, point first and put that much of a dent in the thing. It would have been weighed down by the plastic circle in the middle.
After that day is when paranormal things began happening in my life. It started all in that house. Two of my friends, my brother and myself actually witnessed a cross that was hung on the wall at the end of our hallway, turn upside down. I saw it with my own eyes. Those friends, Phillip and Robert, I actually just caught up with on Facebook. We have been talking about that and many other things that happened in that house. All I can say is that the OB opens doors that are best left shut.
Tracy, that's a trip! I don't discount what people say about their own experiences, but it didn't work for me. Maybe I was too much of a dork that the spirits/demons/whatever comes through on that thing for people didn't want to talk to me. ha! I have no explanation of how it was thrown that far across the room. That's a mystery to me. One of you would have had to make a VERY noticeable gesture, (i.e. picking it up and throwing it). ::|
That video Jason posted brings up Near-Death Experiences, which I was trying to intelligently post on here.....wasn't working. lol When the brain is deprived of oxygen (via blood loss, internal bleeding, etc.) the body starts to compensate for it by shutting down fine motor skills that include sight, touch, hearing. The vessels in the body (mainly at the extremities) start shunting blood to the core as the volume decreases. What does this do to the person? It sends them into a "shock" state. During this process, a person's vision becomes "tunnel vision", hearing becomes less fine tuned and muffled, and their awareness of their bodies decreases. As stated in the video, people hallucinate (i.e. coming out of their bodies, hovering over their bodies, looking down on their bodies, and seeing dead relatives/loved ones).
Have you ever been either so scared or whatever that "your life flashed before your eyes"? If so, that was your brain replaying visions that it already knows. Relatives/loved ones are muscle-memory visions in the brain already. The brain is not "seeing" who is around them during a near-death experience because the person is unconscious. I don't know of one account of near-death where the person said they were fully awake and alert and either not injured or not experiencing a major medical problem (i.e. heart attack, major stroke).
That takes me to the video posted by Gary. Without further evidence, my take is that it was a seizure. I would love to know what her medical history is and if she is or was taking any medications. I also would love to know what her family history was. There are seizures known as Grand Mal seizures where the entire body is involved in visible, uncontrollable shaking. There are also seizures known as Petit Mal seizures where only parts of the body are involved to varying degrees. During many Petit Mal seizures, a person can talk or control certain parts of their bodies. Or you might see them just sitting there still, staring off into space, maybe twitching a little. Or not. I've had hundreds of seizure patients as an EMT. The period immediately before a seizure is the "pre-ictal state" where a person sometimes zones out or feels it coming on. The period immediately after a seizure is the "post-ictal state" where the person is regaining their awareness or "coming out of it". Many young people who are not used to or have never had a seizure cry like she did out of fear of what they just went through or frustration that it happened again. Many people injure themselves in many different ways (i.e. biting something inside their mouths) during either type of seizure. This appeared as a classic seizure, but who am I to say what it was. Maybe yes, maybe no. :)
Jason, I'll try it with ya!
That sounds like a terrifying experience Tracy, especially during the pre-teen years. Wow!
I'm on the fence about Ouiji Boards. I can understand both sides of the topic. And as I was thinking about the subject this morning a thought occured to me.
Yesterday, I was looking at the PPI page on Facebook and saw a video that Tim posted where James Randi is debunking some common "tricks" that psychics use to convince people of their power. And as I was watching more related videos on YouTube I saw a test that James Randi set up on the old game show That's My Line. The psychic was using his mental ability to turn the pages in a laid-open phonebook. And James Randi said that the psychic feat was being accomplished by simply blowing on the pages, and to test that, he placed some light foam peanuts around the perimeter of the phonebook and all over the surface of the table. The thought being that if the psychic was blowing on the pages then the peanuts would also be disturbed. The psychic backed away from the experiment claiming that the peanuts were being heated under the studio lights which was causing static electricity which was making the pages of the phonebook stick together and therefore he could not turn the pages with his mind.
With the Ouiji Board subject, like Jason, my mind immediately went to Ideomotor Response (not Killer Bunnies, but remind me to ask about that). And I started wondering why does the planchette rely on human touch in order for it to move? Why couldn't the planchette move itself? The situation reminded me of the James Randi test described above. If the planchette is reliant on the energy that comes from human contact, why couldn't we supply a substitute source of energy to the planchette to see if it could move without human contact?
I guess what I'm saying is that Ouiji Boards are an area ripe for investigation and documentation. And, although I'm not completely convinced one way or the other, I lean towards belief that a Ouiji Board can be a gateway, but not because of the shape of the planchette or the board layout or how it's manufactured or anything like that. Really, during use, the board and the planchette become the sole points of focus of a tremendous amount of human energy in the form of anticipation, excitement, focus/concentration, fear, etc. Perhaps that focused energy from multiple people is what provides the fuel for an entity to make itself known.
I think it would be interesting to just set up a video camera aimed at a OB and let it film for a while. Not use it, or anything, just as an experiment.
Damien, those are some good questions you have also, I'd be interested to know also.
Here's something else that, painted pink with a Hello Kitty slapped on it, is now far less lethal. ;D
By the way, how do you get a picture to display in the body of a post? I've been fumbling with it and can't seem to do it properly.
(http://www.pacificparanormal.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2796.0;attach=1125)
Administrator's Log: I will show you at the next meeting. It's easier than explaining it. ;D
Quote from: PPI Damian on February 05, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
Here's something else that, painted pink with a Hello Kitty slapped on it, is now far less lethal. ;D
By the way, how do you get a picture to display in the body of a post? I've been fumbling with it and can't seem to do it properly.
Where in the HELLo kitty did you find THAT? Never mind.....there are some things in this life that are better left unknown.....
Quote from: PPI Damian on February 05, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
Here's something else that, painted pink with a Hello Kitty slapped on it, is now far less lethal. ;D
By the way, how do you get a picture to display in the body of a post? I've been fumbling with it and can't seem to do it properly.
I love it !!! ^_^
Damian, you've started something.... my husband wants one.
Well Debra, Valentine's Day is just around the corner, and nothing says "I love you" more than pretty powertools! ;D
Yikes!
but I'm an "Anti-Pink". There is no place for anything pink in this home!
Oh well.... it might have to be one of those marriage related compromises!!
That's it. You're ALL getting pink stuff for your birthdays. >:]
where's the holy water???!!
That'll come in the little pink bottle.
LOL!
:D
Quote from: PPI Damian on February 04, 2010, 04:07:39 PM
Pink Hello Kitty alarm clock = GOOD
Pink Ouija Boards = BAD
What's next, Baby's First Exorcism kit with candy rosary?
hahahaha
seriously though why invite something evil to contact you?
I mean if you are helping a client that is possessed or feels a demonic presence in their house OK, but to go looking for it? Not smart.
Demons and Demonology are a huge draw for me. Love researching it and reading about it. Hope to meet some people i can actually talk to about it...... But stick my hand into the Lions mouth so to say? No thanks.
Why is it that Ouija Boards are only associated with demons? If it actually even works, what?.....is there a door on the other side with a sign on it saying, "DEMONS ONLY! ALL OTHERS KEEP OUT!!" ? P^/
Again, I've played with one, and nothing happened. I also cannot get the seance/Ouija Board episode of "I Love Lucy" out of my mind where Lucy's neighbor (a Don Knotts in "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken" kind of guy) sticks his face close in to hers and secretively, with all seriousness, with big popping eyes, asks her, "Do you wee-gee?" lmao! Kills me everytime! lol lol :D
BTW.....The Ghost and Mr. Chicken is one of my absolute favorites!!!! ;D
Quote from: PPI Lillie on February 19, 2010, 01:51:11 PM
Why is it that Ouija Boards are only associated with demons? If it actually even works, what?.....is there a door on the other side with a sign on it saying, "DEMONS ONLY! ALL OTHERS KEEP OUT!!" ? P^/
The theory is that only "lower astral" beings would require a human body and/or Ouija board (drawing vitality from the human) to make contact. "Higher" beings, such as angels and guardians can interact with you in a more direct way without drawing energy from a host.
Hi Debra! ;D I see. So, what about the "good ghost" experiences? Where are all of those accounts? All I ever hear about is bad stuff. P^/
Quote from: PPI Lillie on February 19, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
Hi Debra! ;D I see. So, what about the "good ghost" experiences? Where are all of those accounts? All I ever hear about is bad stuff. P^/
Damian's ghost, Buddy, folded the laundry. That's pretty cool!
Did you read the story of the PPI investigations at my home? It seems the ghosts over here were trying to warn us that we were at risk for a fire. ( http://mythicmusing.blogspot.com/2009/11/adventures-in-ghost-hunting-in-my-own.html (http://mythicmusing.blogspot.com/2009/11/adventures-in-ghost-hunting-in-my-own.html) )
I think that most people are afraid of the unknown, and therefore, it's "problem". Especially in American culture. In contrast, the Tibetan & Sufi systems don't have the same view: spirits are not a problem.
Debra...I would love to know how the Tibetan and Sufi systems view demons/bad spirits and what they do about them!
Quote from: PPI Lillie on February 19, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Debra...I would love to know how the Tibetan and Sufi systems view demons/bad spirits and what they do about them!
I will try to write something up in near future. I hope I can make it coherent.
I have participated in at least three 12 day retreats that were specifically to address demons. Exorcisms--- we call the process "Chod". Basically, we offer the demons food and a job with very specific guidelines (ie "Guard this building, but harm no one.") If they can't be tamed, we banish them.
It's very interesting watching the
humans during these ceremonies. Some run away without saying goodbye, others become angry and want to fight. Others get sick and become bedridden, until the ceremony is over.
There is always phenomena: dishes flying off shelves, stuff goes missing to be found later in an unlikely spot, the building will shake...
Wow! That sounds fascinating! I cannot imagine what it was like to be there. :o
I had no idea what I was stepping into when I first went. When I realized what the Chod ceremony was about, I was fascinated. I loved being immersed in a different world view. I loved watching it. I really worked.
Wow, I would go if the opportunity was there. You're probably thinking, "Okaaaay pshychoooooo." lol :D
Lillie, I would never think you're psycho! ;D
These ceremonies are not open to the public. You have to go through initiation to participate. Your Lama is responsible for your well being. They incur karma if something happens to the student.
You can read some parts of it, though. When you come to my home I will show you some of the
ritual items, deity photos, texts, etc.
Debra, thank you! That would be great! :)
Lillie,
Here's a text written by a female Lama (who grew up in America) of the the Chod process from a psychological perspective:
Feeding your Demons: Ancient Wisdom for Resolving Inner Conflict, by Tsultrim Allione
http://www.amazon.com/Feeding-Your-Demons-Resolving-Conflict/dp/0316013137/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266612308&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Feeding-Your-Demons-Resolving-Conflict/dp/0316013137/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266612308&sr=8-2)
From A Tibetan perspective (which includes symptoms during the exorcism process):
Machik's Complete Explanation: Clarifying the Meaning of Chod
http://www.amazon.com/Machiks-Complete-Explanation-Clarifying-Foundation/dp/1559391820/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266612590&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Machiks-Complete-Explanation-Clarifying-Foundation/dp/1559391820/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266612590&sr=1-1)
Machik was a real woman yogini in the 11-12th century. A yogini is a female master magician, magus, adept.
Found this clip during my daily paranormal wandering through the internet, and thought I would share it with you all.
http://www.youtube.com/v/yxhh4f04rfg&hl=en_US&fs=1&
http://www.examiner.com/x-2764-Paranormal-News-Examiner~y2010m2d20-Video-Highlights-from-a-3hour-Ouija-Board-session
This is interesting Brian. Thanks for passing it along. I have been thinking of ways to remove the human element from Ouiji board usage, and it might be interesting to do some tests.
Found this article during my morning paranormal ramblings through the darkest corners of the internet. This is hardly the most reliable source of information, and the person making these claims obviously has a vested interest in staying in the public's eye, but the article is amusing. Take it with a grain of salt:
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2010/03/ouija-board-gift-took-coast-to-coast-host-to-brink-of-unfathomable-chaos/
If only a small portion of that is 100% accurate I'd be surprised. I guess, with respect to Ouiji Boards, I'll need to see it to believe it.
You know what might be interesting (and I cannot believe I'm even saying this).....Union Hall, overnight, Ouija Board. Hmmmmm.
Quote from: PPI Tracy on March 22, 2010, 10:55:57 PM
You know what might be interesting (and I cannot believe I'm even saying this).....Union Hall, overnight, Ouija Board. Hmmmmm.
Tracy,
You have shocked me!!! :o
You know I am in.... and I wouldn't doubt that I am alone! Aye!?! ;D
I agree. Gary and I have talked about using a Ouija Board. Not in a scare tactic fashion, but as a legitimate experiment.
I truly in my heart of hearts don't believe that there is any more significance to the power of a Ouija Board than is present in the power of our own minds. And if individuals are concerned about inviting evil spirits during a Ouija Board session, then why aren't they concerned when they try to make contact with spirits during an EVP vigil. Is it the candles? Is is the cheap Milton Bradley planchette? To me, there really is no difference. The board itself doesn't have any magical powers.
But out of deference to Brian, Gary, and my own family, I acknowledge the fact that I simply don't happen to know EVERYTHING (contrary to the impression you may get from me).
Therefore, I have a certain level of concern about doing this experiment anywhere that anyone that I like has to live or work (in the off chance Ouija Boards, however inadvertently, do tap into an interdimensional nether void of demons and foul wraiths).
Speaking of that, do you think we could do this at Johnson's house?
I'm kidding.....I'M KIDDING! :P
But seriously though?
Quote from: PPI Jason on March 23, 2010, 01:47:23 AM
Speaking of that, do you think we could do this at Johnson's house?
I'm kidding.....I'M KIDDING! :P
But seriously though?
>:] LOL!!!
I'm totally in. I don't believe in it either. I owned one years ago and got nothin.
Quote from: PPI Gary on March 22, 2010, 11:37:25 PM
You know I am in.... and I wouldn't doubt that I am alone! Aye!?! ;D
Gary - you is my partner in crime!!!! ;)
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 22, 2010, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: PPI Tracy on March 22, 2010, 10:55:57 PM
You know what might be interesting (and I cannot believe I'm even saying this).....Union Hall, overnight, Ouija Board. Hmmmmm.
Tracy,
You have shocked me!!! :o
"CLEAR"!!!
(yeah, I shock myself too)
Quote from: PPI Jason on March 23, 2010, 01:47:23 AM
Therefore, I have a certain level of concern about doing this experiment anywhere that anyone that I like has to live or work (in the off chance Ouija Boards, however inadvertently, do tap into an interdimensional nether void of demons and foul wraiths).
Speaking of that, do you think we could do this at Johnson's house?
I'm kidding.....I'M KIDDING! :P
But seriously though?
That was so funny, Jason. :D
Regarding your other statement - it would have to be up to Brian. In all honesty, just when it comes to my own home, there isn't enough money in the universe you could pay me to mess with one there. That is just due to my own experience with it as a kid. I do think it would be an interesting experiment, not only to see if it actually worked, obviously, but to see if it would assist upping the evp factor.
Again, it's up to Brian.
Another question: Do any of us actually OWN one?
Quote from: PPI Tracy on March 23, 2010, 12:10:49 PM
Another question: Do any of us actually OWN one?
I know Brian does.... but he said he wouldn't let me use it. However... he didn't say he wouldn't let the GROUP use it!!! ;D
Quote from: PPI Gary on March 23, 2010, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: PPI Tracy on March 23, 2010, 12:10:49 PM
Another question: Do any of us actually OWN one?
I know Brian does.... but he said he wouldn't let me use it. However... he didn't say he wouldn't let the GROUP use it!!! ;D
SCORE!
Let's go to a cemetary. That's neutral territory. lol
Quote from: PPI Lillie on March 23, 2010, 06:03:55 PM
Let's go to a cemetary. That's neutral territory. lol
Well then, let's grab Damian's pink Hello Kitty Ouija Board and GO!
I'm definitely up for this type of experiment, and like Jason, I agree that we might want to find another location in which to work the Ouiji. Just in case.
And how is it that I'm on the hook for providing a pink Hello Kitty Ouiji Board??? Lillie was the one with the pink alarm clock! ;)
Quote from: PPI Damian on March 24, 2010, 06:48:22 PM
I'm definitely up for this type of experiment, and like Jason, I agree that we might want to find another location in which to work the Ouiji. Just in case.
And how is it that I'm on the hook for providing a pink Hello Kitty Ouiji Board??? Lillie was the one with the pink alarm clock! ;)
pink is evil.
Quote from: PPI Damian on March 24, 2010, 06:48:22 PM
I'm definitely up for this type of experiment, and like Jason, I agree that we might want to find another location in which to work the Ouiji. Just in case.
And how is it that I'm on the hook for providing a pink Hello Kitty Ouiji Board??? Lillie was the one with the pink alarm clock! ;)
Sorry Damian. It came to me in a dream. :D
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 24, 2010, 07:37:34 PM
Quote from: PPI Damian on March 24, 2010, 06:48:22 PM
I'm definitely up for this type of experiment, and like Jason, I agree that we might want to find another location in which to work the Ouiji. Just in case.
And how is it that I'm on the hook for providing a pink Hello Kitty Ouiji Board??? Lillie was the one with the pink alarm clock! ;)
pink is evil.
No no. Not "evil". It is "eVIL". >:]
Hey, B. Mill. What do you think about all this?
I'd be interested in participating in this experiment...would I be able to get in on this? Normally I wouldn't even consider asking, but you all seem like you will be taking a responsible enough approach. Uhm, and I'm just plain ol' curious. I have a somewhat similar story as Tracy , and some debunking or realizations ,would be awesome.
I think one of the major difficulties we're going to have is finding a place to do this. The Union Hall would be awesome, but to do this experiment at one of our own hoes, or even place of business doesn't seem right. Any thoughts on locations anyone?
Quote from: PPI Gary on March 26, 2010, 02:07:18 PM
I think one of the major difficulties we're going to have is finding a place to do this. The Union Hall would be awesome, but to do this experiment at one of our own hoes, or even place of business doesn't seem right. Any thoughts on locations anyone?
Lillie suggested a cemetery. Probably a quiet secluded outdoor place would be best.
Quote from: Shellshock on March 26, 2010, 01:42:15 PM
I'd be interested in participating in this experiment...would I be able to get in on this? Normally I wouldn't even consider asking, but you all seem like you will be taking a responsible enough approach. Uhm, and I'm just plain ol' curious. I have a somewhat similar story as Tracy , and some debunking or realizations ,would be awesome.
I think that would be great, Shell.
Quote from: Shellshock on March 26, 2010, 01:42:15 PM
I'd be interested in participating in this experiment...would I be able to get in on this? Normally I wouldn't even consider asking, but you all seem like you will be taking a responsible enough approach. Uhm, and I'm just plain ol' curious. I have a somewhat similar story as Tracy , and some debunking or realizations ,would be awesome.
I agree with Tracy, we would love to have you with us on this one. We don't have a date, or location, set yet. I think we should consider brainstorming on this at our next meeting. I wouldn't mind doing it my work (that place has already been cursed with the presence of more evil than any toy demonic portal could possible conjure) but I'm pretty sure THAT would get me fired (or, more likely, really really laughed at for a long long time).
I think a cemetery would be fine, but the question is which one? Are there any that are private enough that would could do this without too many onlookers yet are accessible to the public and don't have lots of security guards who might chase us off? I really feel that the "where" is our only real obstacle right now. I'm sure we are flexible enough to adapt the "when" to fit the schedules of anyone in the group that wants to participate.
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I think a cemetery would be fine, but the question is which one? Are there any that are private enough that would could do this without too many onlookers yet are accessible to the public and don't have lots of security guards who might chase us off? I really feel that the "where" is our only real obstacle right now. I'm sure we are flexible enough to adapt the "when" to fit the schedules of anyone in the group that wants to participate.
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I don't know how you all would feel about this: we have an old rickety pool house/ club house that is only used for HOA meetings here at Grossmont Village. (The nice pool house is on another part of the property). A man died there of a heart attack during a homeowner's meeting. Also it's by the pool where the lady was drowned. Larry and I could sign it out for an evening "party". If it's not the weekend, it's free. It's 50.00 for a weekend night/day.
Wow Debra, I think your idea just made it to the list of potential locations. We now have ONE good possible location. That actually sounds like a really cool place, esp knowing of the 2 deaths that have occurred there. I think that is fairly central to a lot of us also!!
I like the pool house idea Debra. But only if we can get it reserved. I just don't want people walking in on the experiment. I also don't want to freak out the other tenants and risk getting you in trouble. I can see it now (queue the harp music indicating my mind going into an alternate hypothetical future).
[A small child wearing a Spongebob swim suit with a large inflated pink "Hello Kitty" inner tube around his waist opens the gate to the pool area, excitedly]
Small Child: "Mommy, mommy, I can't wait to go swimming. Thank you, thank you."
Overly Protective Christian Right Wing Mother who drives an excessively large mini-van: "Yes, Timmy. I am also looking forward to an afternoon of wholesome poolside entertainment."
Small Child: "Amen."
Overly Protective Christian Right Wing Mother who drives an excessively large mini-van: "Go in the clubhouse, Timmy, and wash your hands. Remember, cleanliness is next to godliness."
Small Child: "I love the book of Acts, Mommy."
[The unwitting child enters the room to a horrible scene. Two adults are seated, blindfolded, at a table with a "Cryptique" brand Ouija Board. A woman with red hair is standing to the side with her face covered in horror. A strange man in black with a cane that appears to have a headlamp on it is observing quietly from a corner. Two other females are running around and wildly flailing their arms as they try to dodge objects and kitchen utensils which are flying through the air at them. A deep growling disembodied voice can be heard to echo through the hall saying, "WHO DARES TO DISTURB MY THOUSAND YEAR SLEEP!!!!"]
[The small boy starts to cry and runs out of the room in terror].
Epilogue: [A psychiatrist's office 20 years in the future. The small boy, now a man, is lying on a leather couch while a stearn but calm psychiatrist with a note pad, a pair of wire rim glasses barely sitting at the end of his nose, smoking a pipe, is listeningly quietly with his legs crossed].
Small Child Now a Man: "And that's how it all started doc. I just can't stop the nightmares. I still cry myself to sleep at night."
Hey, didn't I see this on an episode of Buffy, the Vampire Slayer? If not, don't let Joss Whedon read your post before you copyright it. :D
So, would this experiment take place after hours? Is there a special "dead time" that it's best suited to? When I was a kid, we used to wait until midnight on Saturday to conjure up James Dean with the ol' planchette. (Note: That's not a sexual innuendo.) Eventually, we'd give up trying and instead just tune in a James Dean movie on UHF.
Quote from: PPI Jason on March 27, 2010, 12:01:23 PM
I like the pool house idea Debra. But only if we can get it reserved. I just don't want people walking in on the experiment. I also don't want to freak out the other tenants and risk getting you in trouble. I can see it now (queue the harp music indicating my mind going into an alternate hypothetical future).
[A small child wearing a Spongebob swim suit with a large inflated pink "Hello Kitty" inner tube around his waist opens the gate to the pool area, excitedly]
Small Child: "Mommy, mommy, I can't wait to go swimming. Thank you, thank you."
Overly Protective Christian Right Wing Mother who drives an excessively large mini-van: "Yes, Timmy. I am also looking forward to an afternoon of wholesome poolside entertainment."
Small Child: "Amen."
Overly Protective Christian Right Wing Mother who drives an excessively large mini-van: "Go in the clubhouse, Timmy, and wash your hands. Remember, cleanliness is next to godliness."
Small Child: "I love the book of Acts, Mommy."
[The unwitting child enters the room to a horrible scene. Two adults are seated, blindfolded, at a table with a "Cryptique" brand Ouija Board. A woman with red hair is standing to the side with her face covered in horror. A strange man in black with a cane that appears to have a headlamp on it is observing quietly from a corner. Two other females are running around and wildly flailing their arms as they try to dodge objects and kitchen utensils which are flying through the air at them. A deep growling disembodied voice can be heard to echo through the hall saying, "WHO DARES TO DISTURB MY THOUSAND YEAR SLEEP!!!!"]
[The small boy starts to cry and runs out of the room in terror].
Epilogue: [A psychiatrist's office 20 years in the future. The small boy, now a man, is lying on a leather couch while a stearn but calm psychiatrist with a note pad, a pair of wire rim glasses barely sitting at the end of his nose, smoking a pipe, is listeningly quietly with his legs crossed].
Small Child Now a Man: "And that's how it all started doc. I just can't stop the nightmares. I still cry myself to sleep at night."
LOL!
Drama! The story of my life....
I was more afraid of a group of little old ladies suddenly behaving in a bacchanalian kind of way...
We can reserve it. Also, any one who was going to disturb us would have to have 2 sets of keys.( I know of only one person with the 2nd set- me.) The pool is not heated, so I doubt anyone would want to swim until summer .
sounds like a plan to me
Okay, next.... We actually need a Ouija Board. Like I mentioned, Brian has one, so perhaps he would be willing to let the group use it.... but in case not, do we have any other sources for one?
I could order one online for the team, or hit up a toy store or something like that. I'm completely ignorant about Ouija Boards, so I feel that I should ask if there's a specific type I should get for this outing. Can I go to Toy-R-Us or do I need to track down that old asian dude who sells Gremelins?
Damian, that is a good question. I have to say that I am about 80% more skeptical of a toy OB coming outta Toys R Us. I also have little knowledge on the subject. I have priced some "Authentic" OB's online, but they run anywhere from $65-$100+. I actually probably wouldn't mind using a toys r us brand OB in my own home... that is how doubtful I am of it. But nothing else! lol
I actually bought the traditional looking one at Toys R Us. I'll look tomorrow.
I think, and this is just my opinion, we should just use a cheapy Toys R Us Ouija Board.
1. I don't want to give $60 - $100 to some company that is clearly taking advantage of the public's ignorance of how Ouija Board's work. To me, doing that would be no different than hiring a fraudulent psychic.
2. I don't know what advantage a more expensive Ouija Board is supposed to have over the conventional models. Is it "blessed" or "cursed"? Either way, I don't think our experiment, at least as it is currently set up, is built to test the blessed or cursed state of a Ouija Board. If we do want to test that, then we would have to test numerous Ouija Boards in order to recognize the possibility that some may be legitimately blessed or cursed while others may not. I think our experiment right now is set up to test the Ouija process itself. I think we could even do that with a home made Ouija Board and an improvised planchette. But I still think a cheapy Ouija from Toys R Us would be cheaper and better to test.
However, this brings up an interesting point. Should we have more than one Ouija Board present and try testing them both seperately and simulataneously? We could log the results by having different sets of investigators test out different Ouija Boards, to see if different combinations of investigators with different boards has any effect on the results?
For example,
Ouija Board A (Jason, Damian, Tracy)
Ouija Board B (Shell, Karl, Tim)
Ouija Board C (Jason, Damian, Tracy)
Ouja Board A (Shell, Karl, Tim)
Ouija Board B (Jason, Damian, Tracy)
Ouija Board C (Shell, Karl, Tim)
Ouija Board A (Shell, Jason, Karl)
Ouija Board B (Damian, Tim, Tracy)
etc...
Quote from: PPI Jason on March 28, 2010, 06:42:41 AM
For example,
Ouija Board A (Jason, Damian, Tracy)
Ouija Board B (Shell, Karl, Tim)
Ouija Board C (Jason, Damian, Tracy)
Ouja Board A (Shell, Karl, Tim)
Ouija Board B (Jason, Damian, Tracy)
Ouija Board C (Shell, Karl, Tim)
Ouija Board A (Shell, Jason, Karl)
Ouija Board B (Damian, Tim, Tracy)
What OB do I get to test Jason??? :'( HAHA, j/k!!! No but really! okay, great points you made. I am totally down to use a toys r us Ouija Board. I just think of it this way. Toys r us sells some pretty cool little kids spy toys, like the boom mic that can hear far away, and several others. Now, would I want those, or something that I could pick up out of my latest GALL's catalog!!?? But I am still down for the toys r us brand.
So Lillie has apparently bought one which means that part is taken care of.
Hey Gary,
By the way, I do agree with you Gary. I'm not against testing any of the more expensive "professional" Ouija Boards at all. I agree with you that in some ways testing a non-professional Ouija Board is kind of like buying those cheap spy toys you were talking about. But I just don't want to spend a lot of money on something that, at least from what I think most of us are expecting, doesn't really work. I guess that's a bad attitude to have going into an experiment (after all, we're supposed to be open minded, right?). I would love to test one of those "better quality" boards (heavy accent on the quotation marks on THAT one), but it would be nice if we could borrow one from someone rather then having to invest in one.
Essentially, we're talking about materials that are easily available, right? Cardboard, some ink, a trivet with a brass finishing nail in the middle? A plumb line? How's about I just make a ouija board. (Either that, or we can fly in a member from TAPS Rhode Island who has one tattooed on his back.) At the very least, a homemade ouija board should be among our test items, right?
The client who hosted the now-infamous investigation in which his Afghani father with Alzheimers became violent--that client was not a well man, himself, and during our preliminary interview described how he used to make ouija boards out of scraps of paper and letters written in his own blood. I'm not planning to open a vein for this experiment, but blood sacrifice is part and parcel with the rituals that many ascribe to the "Satanic" use of a ouija board. As you all know, I don't give a shred of credence to any of it. It's a game. However, I think if we mean business, we should include at least one super Satanic deluxe, homemade Helter-Skelter version of a ouija board capable of scaring the bejeezus out of fourteen-year-old goth. If I build it, will y'all come?
Asking seriously now. Want me to make one?
Quote from: PPI Karl on March 28, 2010, 12:28:01 PM
Essentially, we're talking about materials that are easily available, right? Cardboard, some ink, a trivet with a brass finishing nail in the middle? A plumb line? How's about I just make a ouija board. (Either that, or we can fly in a member from TAPS Rhode Island who has one tattooed on his back.) At the very least, a homemade ouija board should be among our test items, right?
A light drinking glass turned upside down is a traditional substitute for the planchette.
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 28, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
Quote from: PPI Karl on March 28, 2010, 12:28:01 PM
Essentially, we're talking about materials that are easily available, right? Cardboard, some ink, a trivet with a brass finishing nail in the middle? A plumb line? How's about I just make a ouija board. (Either that, or we can fly in a member from TAPS Rhode Island who has one tattooed on his back.) At the very least, a homemade ouija board should be among our test items, right?
A light drinking glass turned upside down is a traditional substitute for the planchette.
Right on, Debra. Perfect. And when we're finished using it as a planchette, I'll uncork the cognac for us and we'll all drink to our experiment. :)
[/quote]A light drinking glass turned upside down is a traditional substitute for the planchette.[/quote]
Right on, Debra. Perfect. And when we're finished using it as a planchette, I'll uncork the cognac for us and we'll all drink to our experiment. :)
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Ahh... Ouija board.... and Spirits! LOL
I agree that a homemade board should be among the boards we tested. Karl, I'll admit that the prospect of making and using the Satan-deluxe board has me a little apprehensive due to the "what-if" factor. Despite that, I'm still very interested in moving forward with the experiment(s).
What does the team think of the precautionary measure of a protection prayer or ceremony immediately prior to the using of the boards? My thought is we've really got nothing to lose and everything to gain by carrying a sense of protection within each of us.
I'm not 100% sure what I believe will come of these experiements, but the Eagle Scout in me want to be prepared.
Thoughts?
Quote from: PPI Damian on March 28, 2010, 01:05:55 PM
I agree that a homemade board should be among the boards we tested. Karl, I'll admit that the prospect of making and using the Satan-deluxe board has me a little apprehensive due to the "what-if" factor. Despite that, I'm still very interested in moving forward with the experiment(s).
What does the team think of the precautionary measure of a protection prayer or ceremony immediately prior to the using of the boards? My thought is we've really got nothing to lose and everything to gain by carrying a sense of protection within each of us.
I'm not 100% sure what I believe will come of these experiements, but the Eagle Scout in me want to be prepared.
Thoughts?
I know how to do the "Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" (ala Golden Dawn, invoking the Archangels of the 4 quarters) ), the sage smudge clearing ritual, or I can do a Tibetan blessing of the space. Then there's the good ole Christian prayers.
QuoteQuoteQuote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 28, 2010, 12:59:32 PMA light drinking glass turned upside down is a traditional substitute for the planchette.
Right on, Debra. Perfect. And when we're finished using it as a planchette, I'll uncork the cognac for us and we'll all drink to our experiment. :)
Ahh... Ouija board.... and Spirits! LOL
There's just something about contact with the spirits that
requires spirits and altered states. One of my all-time favorite scenes in an early film adaptation of
A Christmas Carol, setting up the visit from the Ghost of Christmas Past later on:
"What might that be?"
"It's a wine bottle. A cheering, warming, goodly wine. A wine that'll race through your veins...with little torches. It's port, Bob. The fifth essence of the Christmas spirit."
"But we haven't got a glass."
"I'll get one from Mr. Scrooge's office."
I love it. :D
As for ouija board protection, I'm game for whatever anyone is comfortable with. No one should be made to feel uncomfortable in this experiment--well, not much, anyway. My thoughts are that belief plays a large part in whether or not results are forthcoming, and that it also plays a part in such things as protection from negative spirits. If you would like, I'll be happy to volunteer as the one who goes into this as the Objectivist, sans blessings or protection (though, some may argue that the denial of demonic existence is, itself, a charm to ward off their negative influence; me thinks that's circular reasoning, though).
Well, Karl, if you go in without blessings then you'll need someone to go with you so that at least we'll go to hell with someone to cover us.
I agree with both Gary and Karl that if we are going to test this theory then we need to have at least some test involving some of the other aspects associated with the Ouija Board.
I think we should also consider doing some EVP work during the sessions. We should also consider doing some EVP work prior to the sessions to set up a baseline. We should also monitor EMF, temp, with video cameras, etc... You guys were probably already thinking that, but I just wanted to throw it out there so we're all on the same page. This will be a full on investigation in a sense.
And if Gary, Karl, and I lose our souls in the process, then I say we have Debra cast a soul cleansing spell on the hot tub and on some soul purification essences which will then be placed into several bottles of beer which then we will all have to reluctantly choke down with a sacraficial steak which should be sacraficed on a propane altar. Just an idea ;)
Yes, Karl, please DO make one of your own. I think that would be something very interesting to try.
Jason, like you mentioned that you are going into this expecting little to nothing to happen. I think that is okay to feel, because I honestly am going into this expecting something. Won't be disappointed either way.
We should have multiple video cameras recording a long with voice recorders and anything/everything else. Collect as much as possible in one take.
It is very interesting to see how this idea snowballed into what is now, I may make this the featured topic for April!!! ;D
Hi Hi,
I've actually seen it work* on smooth cement in a patio. O_o
They used a shot glass.
Also, Id always see the "pagan chicks" in high school doing that.
They wrote it out on their binders and would "play" with it in class and at lunch using their guitar picks.
Anyway, I agree, don't blow a lot of money on one of these.
Quote from: Shellshock on March 29, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Hi Hi,
I've actually seen it work* on smooth cement in a patio. O_o
They used a shot glass.
Also, Id always see the "pagan chicks" in high school doing that.
They wrote it out on their binders and would "play" with it in class and at lunch using their guitar picks.
Anyway, I agree, don't blow a lot of money on one of these.
That is good advice. Like I said, I know very little about it. I think I might look into making them over my "weekend" break. This should be interesting.
Dont know much either.
So will you be making making the delightful pink one?
Think I might have some old hello kitty stickers you can have
to add to the decor. =^_^=
=P
Honestly I'm a little scared to try out a Hello Kitty Board. I just feel like we'd be asking for trouble.
Oh hey, I forgot. Can we try to communicate with Ozzy Osbourne. I know he's not dead yet, but that would be pretty cool. We'll have to get a board with a lot of expletives on it though since he probably doesn't spell very well and it will take him a while to get back to us if we don't have a lot of easy one word responses. ;)
Quote from: PPI Jason on March 30, 2010, 12:53:20 AM
Honestly I'm a little scared to try out a Hello Kitty Board. I just feel like we'd be asking for trouble.
Oh hey, I forgot. Can we try to communicate with Ozzy Osbourne. I know he's not dead yet, but that would be pretty cool. We'll have to get a board with a lot of expletives on it though since he probably doesn't spell very well and it will take him a while to get back to us if we don't have a lot of easy one word responses. ;)
We have to make sure that in addition to the words "Yes" "No" and "Maybe", it has to have one that says "SHAAAAAAARRRRRROOOOOOOON"!
And then one section of the board dedicated to nonsensical and unintelligeable mumblings. ;D
Hey....have I got a thread for YOU! Oh..wow! You're already here! Welcome.
so kidding. i need food. i dunno what i am spouting.....
Oh hey, I forgot. Can we try to communicate with Ozzy Osbourne. I know he's not dead yet, but that would be pretty cool. We'll have to get a board with a lot of expletives on it though since he probably doesn't spell very well and it will take him a while to get back to us if we don't have a lot of easy one word responses. ;)
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We have to make sure that in addition to the words "Yes" "No" and "Maybe", it has to have one that says "SHAAAAAAARRRRRROOOOOOOON"!
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Tracy,
I had the same idea. How would we talk to Ozzie without having to hear from Sharon? EEK! She'd charge us $$$$ for access!
The Ouija board quiz:
What Pulitzer Prize winning poetry was entirely channeled by the author using an Ouija board?
Whoever finds the answer gets a box of evil chocolate chip cookies (made w/ real butter). >:]
James Merrill. But I have to confess that I didn't know that off the top of my head, I looked it up. ;D
Quote from: PPI Damian on March 31, 2010, 08:12:27 PM
James Merrill. But I have to confess that I didn't know that off the top of my head, I looked it up. ;D
But you didn't answer the question! :)
Extra credit: What famous "Institution" did his family found?
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 31, 2010, 08:25:09 PM
Quote from: PPI Damian on March 31, 2010, 08:12:27 PM
James Merrill. But I have to confess that I didn't know that off the top of my head, I looked it up. ;D
But you didn't answer the question! :)
Extra credit: What famous "Institution" did his family found?
Drats! I was too late for the poetry question! I actually like James Merrill's poetry, too! Couldn't honestly tell you anything about his family history, though. I know he, himself, was head of the MLA for a while. Maybe Merrill Lynch? Or, the Merrill Streep School for Scandalized Young Actors?
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 31, 2010, 08:03:29 PM
The Ouija board quiz:
What Pulitzer Prize winning poetry was entirely channeled by the author using an Ouija board?
Whoever finds the answer gets a box of evil chocolate chip cookies (made w/ real butter). >:]
Deb - what is UP with those dang cookies?!?!?! Your Facebook posts are making me HUNGRY!!!!!
Quote from: PPI Tracy on April 01, 2010, 12:24:50 PM
Quote from: Debra, PPI Consultant on March 31, 2010, 08:03:29 PM
The Ouija board quiz:
What Pulitzer Prize winning poetry was entirely channeled by the author using an Ouija board?
Whoever finds the answer gets a box of evil chocolate chip cookies (made w/ real butter). >:]
Deb - what is UP with those dang cookies?!?!?! Your Facebook posts are making me HUNGRY!!!!!
Tracy- those cookies are too good. I don't usually like store bought cookies. If there's any left at the store, they coming to the meeting with me!
Karl- No one has named the title of Merrill's channeled poetry yet.
You guessed right: Merrill-Lynch.
If we have enough team members present to do it (which it sounds like we will), how about setting up two boards in two separate areas (one bought and one homemade or whatever, with an EVP'er and a camera and digital recorder set up, and call on the same spirits to compare results? If both groups call Ozzy or whoever, and both groups get results asking the same questions, we can compare notes afterward and to better know if it was the spirit communicating or our subconscious minds at work? P^/
Another thing I think we should try is to have the people using the board be blindfolded, then another team member places the board in front of the blindfolded team members so that the people using the board don't know for sure where the letters and responses are at on the board. I think it was on Penn and Teller's Bullshit show that they did a similar experiment. I like it because it takes a chunk of the human factor out of it.
Another experiment that came to mind is to have board users stare/focus on the planchette without touching it. I'd like to see if the collective focused energy would allow the planchette to move on it's own (I'm pretty sure it won't, but it's just another aspect to test). And on top of that team members, while not touching the planchette, and while focusing on the board, should have a pen and pad in front of them so that when questions are asked of the board they can write down any answers or responses that might pop into their heads. Then after the exercise, any written notes could be compared.
And while these experiments are going on, a couple of team members should be actively videoing the goings on, and like Jason suggested we should have audio recorders running too.
Would it be worthwhile to ask the questions from that global EVP survey during one of the board experiments?
I really like your ideas! The blind fold actually popped up in my mind as well.
Another idea I liked was have someone whos not sitting at the board and touching the planchette ,
stand to the side, with back turned or Blind folded ask the Questions. Im sure thats been done, but
ive never seen that.
*Sorry if that was already mentioned early on, I couldnt scroll back my screen keeps freezing up! O_o
I'm really looking forward to these experiments. :D
Also just to help see who has what , and who can bring what things -
I have a HandyCam ive yet to use and also a lil Flip Video camera.
so just in case we fall short on video cameras I could bring one or both.
xoxo's
Thanks Shell! :)
I picked up a Ouija Board at Toys-R-Us today. All they had were glow-in-the-dark Ouija boards, so this beauty has a glowing board AND planchette. How could I say no? LOL! :D
Quote from: Shellshock on April 01, 2010, 07:57:04 PM
Also just to help see who has what , and who can bring what things -
I have a HandyCam ive yet to use and also a lil Flip Video camera.
so just in case we fall short on video cameras I could bring one or both.
Hi Shell,
I'd suggest, and this goes for all of us, that we bring all of our equipment to the experiment (with the exception of Miller's DVRs which I think would be over kill unless you guys think differently).
In a situation like this (i.e. an experiment that keeps evolving as we get new ideas) it's probably better to bring it and not need it than to need it and not bring it. I plan on bringing my Hi 8, my recorder and mics, my KII, my Tri-Meter, and, of course, my handy dandy Mel Meter.
I'm also looking forward to these experiments. Hopefully we can get some time frame finalized at the next meeting and during some of the subsequent forum posts.
Quote from: PPI Damian on April 01, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
Thanks Shell! :)
I picked up a Ouija Board at Toys-R-Us today. All they had were glow-in-the-dark Ouija boards, so this beauty has a glowing board AND planchette. How could I say no? LOL! :D
Okay so I guess I will take the one I bought back to Toys R Us.
Quote from: PPI Lillie on April 02, 2010, 01:19:48 AM
Quote from: PPI Damian on April 01, 2010, 09:04:19 PM
Thanks Shell! :)
I picked up a Ouija Board at Toys-R-Us today. All they had were glow-in-the-dark Ouija boards, so this beauty has a glowing board AND planchette. How could I say no? LOL! :D
Okay so I guess I will take the one I bought back to Toys R Us.
Wasn't the experiment going to involve two of them?
Sorry about that Lillie...I think maybe I misunderstood. For some reason I had in my head that we would have 2 of the Toys-R-Us specials, and then Karl was going to make one (possibly using blood?).
Do we have use for 2 of the Toys-R-Us Ouija boards?
Also, I'm working on pulling a small vibration motor out of an old cell phone. I plan to find a button-cell battery that will power it. I'd like to try putting the vibration motor on the planchette as another experiment...the thought being that the vibration offered by the vibration motor could replace the theorized ideomotor effect, and we can see if a planchette with a vibration motor can give us intelligent answers on the board (dubious on this one working). A vibrate motor is a less-than-accurate replacement for the pulse vibrations and pulse frequency that come from our fingertips, but I can't seem to get the idea out of my head, so I'm gonna make it. LOL!
Lillie, I don't think you should take yours back.... keep it. It would be a good idea to use both. Then you both can take them back together and be like, "These things gave us different answers!"
Quote from: PPI Damian on April 02, 2010, 11:11:32 AM
For some reason I had in my head that we would have 2 of the Toys-R-Us specials, and then Karl was going to make one (possibly using blood?).
Whew. Okay folks...sorry but that is where I draw the line. I'm bowing out. Besides, the more I think about this, the more I worry about whether or not it would put my family at risk. Specifically, Taylor. Especially with what has happened to her over the last several years. I'm just not comfortable with it. I'll support you and cheer you on, but I'm going to sit by the sidelines. I think I let my common sense escape me and in it's place, morbid curiosity jumped in. I need to be a responsible parent. I hope you all don't think I'm nuts. Actually, it doesn't matter. I feel like it is risky and I have to listen to my gut instinct on this. I had one bad experience with the OB. I don't want to repeat it. (and I sure as hell don't need any more unseen guests in my house. there is no more room at the inn!)
Quote from: PPI Karl on March 28, 2010, 12:28:01 PMI'm not planning to open a vein for this experiment, but blood sacrifice is part and parcel with the rituals that many ascribe to the "Satanic" use of a Ouija board.
I think I gave enough blood at my dentist's office yesterday. (Spent two and half hours in a dentist's chair being fitted for a crown. I broke my back molar a couple of weeks ago.) I'm not really planning any sort of blood sacrifice for a Ouija board. In fact, my whole tactic on this is to make a version of a Ouija board that is to spirit communication what drag is to haute couture: over-the-top, with a whimsical note of bathos.
That being said, no one should participate in this experiment--or any experiment--if it makes them uncomfortable. I'm totally supportive of your decision, Tracy. But, to put at ease anyone's concerns about
my involvement in this, truly I take the Satanism motif of a Ouija board no more seriously than I take Gene Simmon's forked tongue in Kiss. Like I said, it's a form of drag. My point in suggesting it at all is simply this: by pushing the limits of the experiment to these ridiculous and comical extremes, we may be able to show that the folklore about demon communication, etc. is not a feature of the Ouija board, itself, but rather is brought to the game by those involved who have a strong psychological or emotional investment in the idea of Satan and demons. With someone like myself who has
zero belief in the reality of demons, much less the Ouija board being an inherently optimal vehicle for their communication, I'm obviously more suited to take up this part of the experiment. However, no one should feel pressure to participate in it. If I have to do it alone, I have no problem with that, either, and I would be totally understanding of that. 0:<
Quote from: PPI Gary on April 02, 2010, 12:01:15 PM
Lillie, I don't think you should take yours back.... keep it. It would be a good idea to use both. Then you both can take them back together and be like, "These things gave us different answers!"
omg Gary lmao :D
Damian.....No worries. Unfortunately I took it back this morning.
Tracy....I respect your decision 100% and don't blame you.
Karl....You said something interesting about participants bringing in their psychological and emotional investments into the game. I agree with you 100%. I believe in good spirits, evil spirits, those in the middle, and angels. I do not believe that an OB conjures them up or is the doorway to the spirit world. I believe that a spirit manifests itself with or without the presence of an OB and may use it to communicate. Maybe. Either throguh the board itself or the person handling the planchette. I believe that a spirit will send the message of "GET OUT!" by whatever means is available (ie OB, EVP, AVP, slamming open the front door, or chasing you out with a cane.......that one was for you Tracy. ;) ) I am not convinced by any message received through any means that is physically controlled by a person. Our subconscious minds are powerful and can provoke physical responses by our bodies.
I like Damian's idea about not touching the planchette. I guess the only question movement of the planchette would raise is whether any of us have telekinetic powers that no one knows about. I mean really, people...we kinda ARE a weird crazy bunch. ;)
When are you doing this experiment?
Quote from: PPI Tim on April 17, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
When are you doing this experiment?
Tim,
No date yet. Depends on schedules.
Quote from: Shellshock on April 28, 2010, 02:31:16 PM
Honestly -This freaked me out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqn0YdpK80g
"LA LA LA LA...*fingers in ears...eyes tightly shut*...LA LA LA LA"
I'm lost, or forgetful, or both. Am I in charge of organizing this one or is someone else in charge?
I don't mind handling it. I just don't want to step on anyone else's toes. I think this one was placed on hold until our schedules cooled down, but i wanted to make sure someone is in charge of making sure that this thing happens when our availability opens up. :)
Jason you are not lost. (But i am!)
We are waiting for the schedule to free up. It isn't top priority.
Also, I am responsible for trying to talk the property manager into letting us have the rickety old clubhouse for free on a weekend night. I'll need a target date to do that.
Maybe we can try to get something arranged for the first or second weekend in June? My May is looking pretty full right now, plus that will give us a good month to prepare or build whatever we need to do to be ready. We can discuss other details at our next meeting? Any thoughts or objections?
Sounds like a plan to me. Do we have another meeting date set?
No meeting date set yet. I'm sure when things slow down for Karl he'll set one up soon.
As for the experiment, June sounds good. I'm available any weekend in June, but the 2nd weekend or later would be ideal. I'll be at the Gillespie Field Airshow on the first weekend in June.
Hey everyone, so, we have our next meeting schedule for the end of this month. Everyone should bring their last minute ideas for this experiment, because we were planning on doing this at the beginning of June.
Debra, would you still be able to rent out the hall at your place? I'm really excited to get this going. Is everyone still on board? And of course, that means anyone who is 100% comfortable with it!
I'm still in on this one for sure!
Quote from: PPI Gary on May 15, 2010, 10:27:17 AM
Hey everyone, so, we have our next meeting schedule for the end of this month. Everyone should bring their last minute ideas for this experiment, because we were planning on doing this at the beginning of June.
Debra, would you still be able to rent out the hall at your place? I'm really excited to get this going. Is everyone still on board? And of course, that means anyone who is 100% comfortable with it!
Larry will know if we can have a free weekend night by tomorrow. Normally, it's free on week days and $50.00 a day on weekends. It takes an act of HOA (home owners association) congress to get something out of the ordinary approved here.
Here is a link to an *alleged* ouija board contact. It' is like a science fiction novel. Very strange.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=182022 (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=182022)
We have the clubhouse for a weekend day/eve for free! YAY!
Now we need to pick the day so I can reserve the place.
:)
Yaaaay! ;D
YAY! (yes...I actually just said that)
Sweet! I'm looking forward to this set of experiments.
Oh, and Debra, I read through a large chunk of the Ouija transcripts on the link you posted.
It's very sci-fi. The thing that aggrivates me is that the author insists on being vague regarding whether the transcripts are fictional or not. That very fact leads me to believe that it's a fictional account...similar to the marketing done when the Blair Witch Project came out.
But an interesting read nonetheless! :)
Agreed on all points, Damian.
I agree. I don't have any interest in that genre of writing and have concluded that it is straight science fiction with no truth to it. :)
Quote from: PPI Lillie on May 19, 2010, 09:06:47 PM
I agree. I don't have any interest in that genre of writing and have concluded that it is straight science fiction with no truth to it. :)
I feel the same way, which is why I put *alleged* in front of it.
Well, nothing like a last minute post, but with being sick on and off for about a month, here i go.
The experiences and theories already talked about are amazing. Tracy- WOW! I think that would have turned me white as a ghost (pun intended..lol) if that happened to me in my teens...also being Catholic, I think my parents would have found some way to have an Exorcism done on me as well..lol
I have only had one experience with an Ouija Board and nothing happened, but I think that is because I wasn't fully devoting myself to the experience. My Wife (Beth) and her Brother Richard decided to try it out in the Condo Beth and I lived in , in North Park...which was right in the area of the PSA Plane crash some 20-30 years ago. We heard kids playing in our rooms all the time, but funny thing was, there were no kids in the complex or around the complex. Beth wanted to see if we could contact anyone and so we decided to try it out. Richard and I thought it would be funny to move the planchette slightly, but all it did was piss off Beth....lesson learned.
As for my belief, I think the Board, like any "Belief Device", with enough energy devoted (and focused) could be used to open gateways to the Paranormal, be it good or bad. In many religions, the act of possession can be done just by one person inadvertently or purposely opening the portal for an entity to enter into themselves. With the focused energy of two or more persons, I think that would be more than enough energy to bring forth any number of things. I've been to New Orleans many times while I was in the Marines and saw a lot of the Voodoo religion down there and how strong the belief was. Also being stationed in South Carolina for 5.5 years, I saw a lot of it in the "deep woods" areas near the swamps. Even though I don't know a lot of about it, the people that do and are very devoted to it, channel all their energy and energy from their surroundings to help support their belief. So, I think that yes it is possible for the Ouija Boards to act as a gateway device, as long as there is enough focused energy devoted to it.
There are so many things unknown about the human mind and soul that for most people, it is INCONCEIVABLE (couldn't resist the Princess Bride joke >:]) to acknowledge the existence of Paranormal events, because they are closed-minded to the experience. I feel sorry for those people because they are missing out on something extraordinary. Something we as Paranormal Investigators are privileged to enjoy and learn from. :-} {8I
Anyways, that's my take on it ;-}
Also, if it's not too late, I would be interested in doing the experiment too. I have a Board (Toys R Us type) too. The experiment sounds very intriguing and sounds like it would be a great test of the old PBS (Paranormal Broadcast System) :-} {8I
Hey Dan,
It's good to hear from you again. When you mentioned your experiences in the swamps of South Carolina it reminded me of some of my experiences when I lived in the jungles of southern Mexico. It was a very very superstitious area. I remember whatever village I was living at the time would have a small town newspaper. The front page of the papers regularly had articles about recent alien landings, livestock abductions, werewolves, and things of that nature. I remember many a night riding around on my little mormon bicycle through numerous dark winding dirt road ways through dense jungle. I remember just a huge feeling of being alone.....or not....at times. You couldn't see very far and the dense brush constantly obscuring my vision just let my imagination run wild. I've always considered myself a skeptic, but even I starting buying into a lot of the mythology down there.
Witchcraft was a very real idea down there. I remember there were numerous people that had some type of muscular disorder than, looking back now, I think was some form of very advanced and untreated arthritis. Many people had there hands just permanently contorted in grotesque ways with fingers curled. Many of these people were in constant pain. But it was rare to find anyone, at least in many of the areas I was at, that believed it was arthritis or palsy or anything like that. To them, it was a curse. The sufferers themselves would tell me how they pissed off some strange witch lady down the road one day and their condition started later that week. Everyone had a witchcraft or possession story. They had all kinds of legends. For example, some of the people used to look at the color of the cross above the Catholic Churches. They claimed that if it was a certain color (I think they said red) then that meant that that church had an assassin type priest there that was authorized by the pope to kill people that threatened the faith of the local population. Fortunately I didn't find very many red crosses. But you bet I got a little nervous whenever I came across one.
The point is, and I could be wrong, but I really feel deep down that the Ouija Board is just an extension of our imagination. Even the most ration person can bring it's powers to life if they are thoroughly convinced of it's power. I guess that maybe why, Dan, your experiment wasn't successful. I anticipate that during our experiment we won't find much anyway. But if we do, mmmmmm boy. P^/
Nothing like resurrecting an old thread. Especially if it's about the Ouija board. Here's a video that shows a great experiment that was proposed by Mr. Faraday:
http://www.youtube.com/v/cma5Zn7xrWU
Maybe we should put this on our facebook page.
Found another video. This reminds me of the experiment we conducted recently.
https://www.youtube.com/v/PRo8TytvIDw
Wow. Embedded video looks BEAUTIFUL in our new forum!
Hardcore apologists for Ouija boards are going to argue that the spirits are not, in "fact," guiding our hands to the answers, but, rather, they're influencing our minds: that being open to the spirits of the board means letting them inspire the actions we direct, and not that they, themselves, are the ones directing our hands. I'll play devil's advocate here and say this approach actually makes more sense. If spirits were actually moving the hands of board users, that would be an invoked poltergeist experience. It makes more sense that our brain chemistry and its brain wave functions would more readily avail itself to spectral manipulation than our physical extremities or eyes. In other words, with our understanding of the ouija board's layout obscured by blindfold, the signals getting through, but the interface is off-line: it's the equivalent of trying to home in on the right TV channel without the benefit of the television the monitor, itself, being switched on.
Whaddya think? >:]
Can we post what our Ouija Board experiment looked like?
Quote from: PPI Tim on August 03, 2015, 11:07:04 PM
Can we post what our Ouija Board experiment looked like?
If you buy me some beer and help me edit the video we can. ;D
Once the video is edited perhaps we can talk Karl into providing the narration? (hint! hint!) ;)
(Note: I sincerely apologize for not having this project finished by now. I've been looking back at all the unfinished projects I've left laying around and it's very depressing.)