Saw some of the documentrie last night called children of the grave. I enjoyed most of it. Wish for more investigation.
Going to re watch both of these documentries to night. lets talk about them tomorrow.
Quote from: bellalaghoste on May 08, 2008, 07:00:06 PM
Saw some of the documentrie last night called children of the grave. I enjoyed most of it. Wish for more investigation.
Going to re watch both of these documentries to night. lets talk about them tomorrow.
I'm so bummed. I missed it! By the time I turned on the tv, the following show had already started and the documentary was over. I'm going to search and see if they are airing it again.
Tracy, you sooooooo didn't miss anything, I want those 2 hours of my life back. Seriously. At least the second half was better then the first.
I knew it was going to be a "treat" when they introduced the Elite Paranormal unit, they even have an Extreme Hauntings Division. These guys are decked out in paramilitary clothing, and even wear bulletproof vests. The Sensitives wore these robes and stuff that were kind of funny too. The EVPs were so bad, they made my crappy EVP from sat look good.
I almost fell off my couch laughing when they did that "special live announcement" thing about the milk.
I did learn a few things though... for example did you know that children sensitives are "commonly" used on all paranormal investigations? I didn't know that spirits were extremely "receptive" to white noise either.
I'm very open to other ideas, and hate making fun of people, but I'm sorry, but that was just crappy.
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on May 10, 2008, 12:56:20 AM
Tracy, you sooooooo didn't miss anything, I want those 2 hours of my life back. Seriously. At least the second half was better then the first.
I knew it was going to be a "treat" when they introduced the Elite Paranormal unit, they even have an Extreme Hauntings Division. These guys are decked out in paramilitary clothing, and even wear bulletproof vests. The Sensitives wore these robes and stuff that were kind of funny too. The EVPs were so bad, they made my crappy EVP from sat look good.
I almost fell off my couch laughing when they did that "special live announcement" thing about the milk.
I did learn a few things though... for example did you know that children sensitives are "commonly" used on all paranormal investigations? I didn't know that spirits were extremely "receptive" to white noise either.
I'm very open to other ideas, and hate making fun of people, but I'm sorry, but that was just crappy.
OMG. You have got to be kidding me. Excuse me while I go vomit. (Probably a better alternative to watching that crap). Hey, if nothing else, at least the show was good for some levity. :-\
What I learned from this was how cruel they were to orphans in the 18th & 19th centuries. They buried those poor children and babies in mass graves. The graves that were marked were given a number only. I'm so glad that our society has progressed.
I was especially skeptical with the picture of the shadow children on Zombie Road. They did not show reflections in the water below the hill. But, this could have easily been manipulated.
Quote from: ldwalkup on May 10, 2008, 07:59:48 PM
What I learned from this was how cruel they were to orphans in the 18th & 19th centuries. They buried those poor children and babies in mass graves. The graves that were marked were given a number only. I'm so glad that our society has progressed.
I was especially skeptical with the picture of the shadow children on Zombie Road. They did not show reflections in the water below the hill. But, this could have easily been manipulated.
Well then Linda, maybe it is a good idea I didn't see this show...for many reasons. Being a mother, I find it almost impossible for me to view shows where children are harmed in any way. Those kinds of things stay with me for a very long time. I find them more than unsettling and do not have the tolerance to watch them. So again, in hindsight, I am glad now that I didn't try and watch it.
To be honest, I think the show had it's roots in a documentary done on the mistreatment of Orphans during that time period. My guess is nobody wanted to air it, so they looked for a "hook." Paranormal is big now days, so it felt like they just tried to merge the documentary in with some EVPS and pictures of ghosties and such. Maybe that isn't how it happened, but it really did seem pieced together like that.
I cried inside to see John Zaffis on it..... even if it was only like 10 seconds.
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on May 11, 2008, 02:16:49 AM
To be honest, I think the show had it's roots in a documentary done on the mistreatment of Orphans during that time period. My guess is nobody wanted to air it, so they looked for a "hook." Paranormal is big now days, so it felt like they just tried to merge the documentary in with some EVPS and pictures of ghosties and such. Maybe that isn't how it happened, but it really did seem pieced together like that.
You know, you may just be right. Good point.
It got my attention. But, I lost interest after the orphanage piece. And, yes, it did seem pieced together. I'm still speechless about how adults could treat helpless children that way. They didn't have the respect to put their names on the markers. Child abuse is an extremely sore subject with me.
I am as against the abuse of children as anybody, and the way they were treated appauls me. Yet you need to consider how different society was back then. There were many "classes" of people that were treated just as badly, some even worse. Our world has many problems, and were far from perfect, but overall we have grown as lot as a society.
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on May 12, 2008, 12:31:41 AM
I am as against the abuse of children as anybody, and the way they were treated appauls me. Yet you need to consider how different society was back then. There were many "classes" of people that were treated just as badly, some even worse. Our world has many problems, and were far from perfect, but overall we have grown as lot as a society.
"We may be powerless to prevent injustice, but we must never fail to protest" - Elie Wiesel
Author, Political Activist, Nobel Laureate, Holocaust Survior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel
the one called ghost adventures seem cool. Goldfield hotel I think that where they went. Something in the basement threw a brick. This look real to me and some good evps.
Quote from: bellalaghoste on May 12, 2008, 01:27:34 PM
the one called ghost adventures seem cool. Goldfield hotel I think that where they went. Something in the basement threw a brick. This look real to me and some good evps.
That whole clip has really come under fire. I don't know what the real truth is with it, but there have been good arguments on both sides, pro and con.
I just grabbed a copy of their documentary and liked it. It's a bit more realistic in the sense it's two people going out to do investigation and not an official group's investigation. They seemed to have gotten a contract with the Travel Channel, and will be premiering in October for 8 episodes. I wonder what that means for Most Haunted after their last episode a couple weeks ago? hmmm... maybe they'll learn something from Ghost Hunters International. :P
This is a clip from them on the Maury show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75A6_94zyPw
Ghost Adventures - A Raw Documentary into the Paranormal was a one time SciFi special where they went to Virginia City, Nevada. They go to the cemetery with the mysterious lights, Washoe Club and the Goldfield Hotel (miner's cabin). The evidence of the flying brick comes from this show. They even have a professional video analyst go over the footage and he points out a second object is unnaturally moving as well using some techniques. This is the video analysis on the show for the flying brick, real or faked, I guess you had to be there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMzfVgYRWII
The most provocative piece of video evidence is the mysterious ghost peering around the corner and vanishing (this one has so much camera shake and the ghost disappears in a matter of a couple frames it seems), it's the most chilling if real or a great prank if faked. Shockingingly cool until someone else can reproduce and debunk it or actually capture an apparition on tape.
This is the clip with the disappearing ghost - I can just see from a few replays of the part, there's a bunch of frames missing and one frame actually still has a part of the black jacket showing still before it completely vanishes, seemingly an edit or editing trick. In fact the camera man points into the woods, where the figure runs off to, that's where you'll see a slim piece of his jacket in a frame or two as the camera does a nasty and shaky pan back to the right, during which time many frames are missing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO9hQqKxgRc&feature=related
Every show has something to offer, some still ring true of the classical literature many of the things we know come from, including Lovecraft :) But I do like this show as it relates to the more common ghost chaser or hunter and less to those who are part of a scientific investigation and research group.
wow thanks keep us updated on this shows premire.
Quote from: bellalaghoste on May 08, 2008, 07:00:06 PM
Saw some of the documentrie last night called children of the grave. I enjoyed most of it. Wish for more investigation.
Going to re watch both of these documentries to night. lets talk about them tomorrow.
I just watched this last night, in fact I watched both Children of the Grave and Ghost Adventures last night and both decent.
Children of the Grave - great locations, great stories, great theme... cheesy effects, montages, sound effect and random scare effects between major scenes. But the content is pretty good.
Good parts: Locations they visit, some of the EVPs and personal experiences, the stories and legends.
Funny parts: Don't think they meant it to be, the Paranormal Task Force is the group at play and they do look funny in their berets and outfits. Love how the city sheriff says he'd never go down there and that if they go, take a gun. There is major evidence of satanic worship and animal sacrifices happening on Zombie Rd area so he was quite uncomfortable with that.
BEST PART - ZOMBIE ROAD and the SHADOW PEOPLE!!! I have an interest in shadow people, that is for sure. In Children of the Grave, I caught the shadow people on the FLIR before the guy holding it even noticed what was happening, loved it! So many shadow people appear on the FLIR which got me laughing since he missed it the first couple times.
http://www.paranormaltaskforce.com/zombiephotos.html
Zombie Road footage is most compelling and I really enjoyed what that they documented there. This is that famous picture that was taken there one night a while ago.. shadow people appeared in the picture but not in the reflection of the water and they didn't see them with the naked eye.
(http://www.paranormaltaskforce.com/images/Tom_Pics/Zombie_tom_2005.jpg)
Ghost Adventures: The Raw Documentary into the Paranormal is not bad at all for a TV show, I thought it captured the meat of ghost hunting, and especially connects those who don't belong to an official group. They are definitely not like the Paranormal Task Force or TAPS. ;D. I actually watched through the complete documentary and it was compelling and good.
The footage when the brick gets thrown and both them run in panic is at the end and they get split up in their panic and makes a great, blair witch like cutting of the scene in the film, they're both alone and they both pick up an EVP on their camcorders, if I had heard those audibly I might have just wet my pants in that situation. They must have been scared as heck, the one guy screams like death itself, I played that scream over again and it's pretty hilarious but I imagine I would have been scared and would have been tough not to run when someone that's suppose to have your back runs away. Anyhow, not as bad as I thought, actually hits closer to home than Ghost Hunters but not as objective and scientific as Ghost Hunters. Definitely a decent watch! Loved it!
Location: Virginia City, Nevada
Washoe Club - Apparition in room where EVP work is being done, EVP captured, cold spots. Basement is where they flying brick incident happens. Seems active, Basement is where they capture two EVPs and the flying brick when they freak out and panic.
Goldfield Hotel - Miner's Cabin (near the mouth of the mine) - Get some EVP, definitely freaks them out. Noises out of the mine, etc... it was OK.
Virginia City Cemetery and the glowing lights above various tombstones and graves.. some over native american graves. Very good stuff. But again, they go screaming from the location after getting freaked out. This was the highlight for me, active cemeteries are really cool to me for some reason.
To me in the Children of the Grave, the "shadow people" in the FLIR were nothing more then spaces between trees. It was a black and white FLIR, the trees were white, any space without a tree was black. Yes it looked like an arnmy of shadow people standing there, but look again, and you will see what I mean.
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on May 13, 2008, 01:43:05 PM
To me in the Children of the Grave, the "shadow people" in the FLIR were nothing more then spaces between trees. It was a black and white FLIR, the trees were white, any space without a tree was black. Yes it looked like an arnmy of shadow people standing there, but look again, and you will see what I mean.
That's what I thought too, but notice he doesn't even notice them and why black spaces between the trees instead of white? Black means a very very low temperature and they don't appear all at once... one appears, then another, then more then more.. I've personally experienced shadow people before... so evidence in this area is always compelling to me or obviously faked... jury is still out on their investigation but some of the images are unexplainable for sure.
Also what did you think about the shadow person walking through a laser grid and being able to document it? That was quite interesting. An apparition or shadow figure can break the lasers.
I've spent a decent amount of time looking through FLIRS mounted on both helicopters and ships, so am fairly used to what they look like. It's very easy for your eyes to play tricks on you with the "spaces" between heat signatures. It's not that the figures started to pop in, it's more your mind started to place more of them. Maybe they were real, but I was unimpressed by the FLIR footage.
Now the laser grid. That was totally awesome. Obviously there is trust involved, because it could be faked, but that grid was sweet. I would love to have a laser grid like that someday.
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on May 13, 2008, 02:39:10 PM
I've spent a decent amount of time looking through FLIRS mounted on both helicopters and ships, so am fairly used to what they look like. It's very easy for your eyes to play tricks on you with the "spaces" between heat signatures. It's not that the figures started to pop in, it's more your mind started to place more of them. Maybe they were real, but I was unimpressed by the FLIR footage.
Now the laser grid. That was totally awesome. Obviously there is trust involved, because it could be faked, but that grid was sweet. I would love to have a laser grid like that someday.
I can agree with you on the tricks of the eye and mind, however, what caught me with their FLIR episode was that I picked up one or two shadow beings right away on the FLIR before the guy even notices anything, I saw a human like figure and thought, oh that's just a shadow.. then a couple still picture flashes later, with the FLIR still is pointed in the same spot and then more solid human formed black shadows appear. I've had a personal experience with a shadow person or 3... something that will stay with me for the rest of my life and I think I would love to find out more about them.
I really can't say if they were actually shadow people or not. One thing to remember though is that if you look into a woods such as that one with the naked eye in broad daylight, there are probably hundreds of spots between trees and objects that are person shaped. Yet your eye easily identifies them, and you never think twice about them. Yet when you look at a black and white picture such as that FLIR, and your mind is looking for shadow people, you may not conciously be as selective.
I had taped the show on TIVO, and I watched that FLIR part numerous times. All of the things on the FLIR image that looked like people "seemed" to be in spots between trees. I looked quite hard for a spot that looked like something was in front of a tree, blocking it. For example, if you see a white tree coming out of the center (behind) of a shadow person with nothing else supporting it, that's pretty convincing. I just didn't see anything like that. Maybe I missed it.
Yeah I have the documentary ripped to my computer so I can check it out again and there's an uncut version out on DVD it seems, with scenes that the SciFi channel couldn't air apparently. Not saying that it's totally concrete evidence, I think with all that they experienced there, it's something to consider even though it seems a bit overdone.
Anyways, if you play it back, there is definitely only a couple shadow anomalies in the first few thermal imaging shots as they setup and stop their hike. Then they begin appearing after the still camera flashes. It's right after the large shadow mass moving towards them on the ground that's caught on IR cam. Also you could see that the whole forest area is lit up with lots of lighting and no human like shadow figures appear on normal cameras or to the human eye. Then look left to the thermal image which showed only a couple human shaped shadows near center top, then you see a bunch appear in the same area before the guy even recognizes them, when the guy looks at the thermal imaging screen and says "whoa, do you see that? They're everywhere now." or something similar , but you can see them before that... just not that many. With he original photo which was taken of the moon on a SLR film camera and the evidence of the figure walking through the laser grid in the same area, it wasn't presented scientificall and methodically, but they claim to have experienced these phenomenons there.
MICHEAL WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE BRICK BEING TOSSED ACROSS THE BASEMENT?
Quote from: MichaelF (FPIE) on May 13, 2008, 06:17:41 PM
I really can't say if they were actually shadow people or not. One thing to remember though is that if you look into a woods such as that one with the naked eye in broad daylight, there are probably hundreds of spots between trees and objects that are person shaped. Yet your eye easily identifies them, and you never think twice about them. Yet when you look at a black and white picture such as that FLIR, and your mind is looking for shadow people, you may not conciously be as selective.
I had taped the show on TIVO, and I watched that FLIR part numerous times. All of the things on the FLIR image that looked like people "seemed" to be in spots between trees. I looked quite hard for a spot that looked like something was in front of a tree, blocking it. For example, if you see a white tree coming out of the center (behind) of a shadow person with nothing else supporting it, that's pretty convincing. I just didn't see anything like that. Maybe I missed it.
Ah looking at the footage again, the forest isn't lit up, it's a thermal cam image of the forest. And the presentation of the evidence isn't done concretely but it's compelling. I don't know, those shadow people images are pretty interesting. They show transparency, some are behind trees and some are in front of them and can see the branches and trunks through some, so much so it doesn't look like any matrixing or tricks of the eye... add this to the original film photo and the laser grid evidence and it really makes this place sure interesting. 8)
it would scare me if it was there!!!!