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Title: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on June 20, 2008, 11:26:15 PM
If you've been scanning the net looking for weird stories you've probably heard about the severed human feet clad in running shoes that have been washing ashore in Vancouver, BC. If not, here's a couple of links for your reading pleasure:

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=597081

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2008/06/18/floating-feet-a-worldwide-phenomenon.aspx

http://www.nationalpost.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=597143
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Brian Johnson on June 21, 2008, 01:41:45 PM
Yeah, and the weird thing is that they are all right feet.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on June 21, 2008, 04:04:13 PM
Quote from: PPI Brian on June 21, 2008, 01:41:45 PM
Yeah, and the weird thing is that they are all right feet.

All but one of them have been right feet. And they said that none of them appeared to have been "mechanically severed" meaning cut with a knife. Apparently they rotted off and the shoes allowed them to float away. Curioser and curioser...  :P
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ttjoon on June 23, 2008, 12:53:38 PM
This is just plain straight out of CSI.......bizarre.   :-\
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Karl on June 23, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Theory:  the assailant wraps the victims in plastic sheeting except for the foot, which he (or she) needs expose in order to tie a rope around the ankle to drag the body onto a boat; the body is then winched by said rope and lowered iuntil just the foot is left above water.  Murderer cuts the rope at that point and lets the body sink to the ocean floor.  The rope, however, has perforated the flesh and the act of dragging and winching the body by it has very likely begun breaking up the ankle, which demarcates the foot from the rest of the body.  As the corpse rots in the water, the rope-burn rots first and the foot with shoe still attached is the first part to separate and float away while the rest of the body remains contained in its plastic sheeting at the bottom of the ocean.

Also, there's something transparently "Dexter" about this, no?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ttjoon on June 23, 2008, 01:12:49 PM
Quote from: PPI Karl on June 23, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Theory:  the assailant wraps the victims in plastic sheeting except for the foot, which he (or she) needs expose in order to tie a rope around the ankle to drag the body onto a boat; the body is then winched by said rope and lowered iuntil just the foot is left above water.  Murderer cuts the rope at that point and lets the body sink to the ocean floor.  The rope, however, has perforated the flesh and the act of dragging and winching the body by it has very likely begun breaking up the ankle, which demarcates the foot from the rest of the body.  As the corpse rots in the water, the rope-burn rots first and the foot with shoe still attached is the first part to separate and float away while the rest of the body remains contained in its plastic sheeting at the bottom of the ocean.

Also, there's something transparently "Dexter" about this, no?

Karl....you're scaring me.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: MichaelF (FPIE) on June 23, 2008, 01:24:23 PM
Having recently found out that Karl has only 3.5 degrees of seperation from Damer, and with his clear insight on how the feet are being found; I believe the case is solved.....
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on June 23, 2008, 01:41:56 PM
Excellent observation, Karl. But I believe they would have to weight down the body... decomposition causes bodies to bloat and float to the surface.  :P
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ttjoon on June 23, 2008, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 23, 2008, 01:41:56 PM
Excellent observation, Karl. But I believe they would have to weight down the body... decomposition causes bodies to bloat and float to the surface.  :P

Oh God!  Not you TOO!
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: MichaelF (FPIE) on June 23, 2008, 07:27:10 PM
Maybe they stick them in a plastic bag that also has weights in it.  The foot sticks out the top so you have something to handle it by like Karl said.  This way you counter the floater issue and still explain the feet.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on June 23, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: TAPS Tracy on June 23, 2008, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 23, 2008, 01:41:56 PM
Excellent observation, Karl. But I believe they would have to weight down the body... decomposition causes bodies to bloat and float to the surface.  :P

Oh God!  Not you TOO!

Sorry, Tracy. I had hoped to become a forensic anthropologist in my youth...
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ttjoon on June 24, 2008, 11:19:27 AM
Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 23, 2008, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: TAPS Tracy on June 23, 2008, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: PPI Brian M on June 23, 2008, 01:41:56 PM
Excellent observation, Karl. But I believe they would have to weight down the body... decomposition causes bodies to bloat and float to the surface.  :P

Oh God!  Not you TOO!

Sorry, Tracy. I had hoped to become a forensic anthropologist in my youth...

I was just kiddin', Brian.  Actually, forensics fascinates me.  Science in general.  And if I had college to do all over again..........
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on July 12, 2008, 01:29:20 AM
Here's the latest on the Floating Feet mystery in Vancouver, BC: scientists have determined through DNA testing that two of the severed feet belonged to one man. Police are now searching through a database of missing persons trying to match DNA collected from the mysterious remains. Here's the article:
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gvtenQJkF4rBgj5PhsgjNJz1no5w
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Hyper on July 15, 2008, 05:16:19 PM
I am thinking that you have put WAYYYYY to much thought into that one.. I's Skerrrd :-\

Quote from: PPI Karl on June 23, 2008, 01:06:40 PM
Theory:  the assailant wraps the victims in plastic sheeting except for the foot, which he (or she) needs expose in order to tie a rope around the ankle to drag the body onto a boat; the body is then winched by said rope and lowered iuntil just the foot is left above water.  Murderer cuts the rope at that point and lets the body sink to the ocean floor.  The rope, however, has perforated the flesh and the act of dragging and winching the body by it has very likely begun breaking up the ankle, which demarcates the foot from the rest of the body.  As the corpse rots in the water, the rope-burn rots first and the foot with shoe still attached is the first part to separate and float away while the rest of the body remains contained in its plastic sheeting at the bottom of the ocean.

Also, there's something transparently "Dexter" about this, no?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: bellalaghoste on July 15, 2008, 07:31:35 PM
wow like out of dexter.  or csi.  Serial killer probaly. 
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ttjoon on July 16, 2008, 02:00:08 AM
Dexter.  Now THERE is a freaky show.  :o
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: bellalaghoste on July 16, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
That a great show I love crazy shows like that.  I love mostly anything morrid.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on August 05, 2008, 06:17:26 PM
I stumbled across another article about the floating feet today, and thought I would share it with everyone on the forums. Apparently the severed feet continue to wash ashore along the Pacific Northwest.  :P

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26014848
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ellie on August 05, 2008, 06:52:21 PM
I think it may have to do with some sort of poison......can a chemical cause an imbalance in the body that may contribute to floating limbs.  Hmmmmmmm.....
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: dwalters on August 05, 2008, 07:13:58 PM
Quote from: PPI Ellie on August 05, 2008, 06:52:21 PM
I think it may have to do with some sort of poison......can a chemical cause an imbalance in the body that may contribute to floating limbs.  Hmmmmmmm.....

Sounds like an excellent case for agents Mulder and Scully
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Brian Johnson on August 05, 2008, 07:14:40 PM
You mean Moldy and Skuller.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: dwalters on August 05, 2008, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: PPI Brian on August 05, 2008, 07:14:40 PM
You mean Moldy and Skuller.
Who are they?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Brian Johnson on August 05, 2008, 08:14:55 PM
Crime scene investigaors, one deals in spores, molds, and fungus. the other in bones. Lol. ;D
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: johnny on August 06, 2008, 02:29:07 AM
hehe, i just watched the new movie and it was suspenseful and entertaining. Scully gets Mulder to look into a investigation where a psychic is involved.

"I want to Believe!"
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Tim on August 06, 2008, 02:51:43 AM
How strange!
I think something afoot. ;D

When did the Captain Ahab style arrive in fashion?
Talk about your message in a bottle.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on August 06, 2008, 02:55:07 AM
Quote from: Tim on August 06, 2008, 02:51:43 AM
How strange!
I think something afoot. ;D

When did the Captain Ahab style arrive in fashion?
Talk about your message in a bottle.


ROTFLMAO!  ;D

I almost ASNRed on my computer! Something's afoot!  ;D  Your sick, dude.

On a serious note, I'm still curious where these severed feet came from. I know the authorities have been checking missing persons reports and maritime records for mission boaters, but this is just freaking weird. There had to be several bodies in the water to account for all the feet washing ashore.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Tim on August 06, 2008, 03:00:49 AM
It think that the authorities can solve this mystery.
By jumping in with both feet.

They can start off on the right foot.

by putting thier best foot forward. ;D

Sorry, I couldn't stand it anymore.
Tim
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ellie on August 06, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
 :D Yeah, I dont think you want to end up with your foot in your mouth
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Tim on August 07, 2008, 01:27:23 AM
LOL

Has any more feet floating up yet?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Brian Johnson on August 07, 2008, 02:57:54 PM
I think that they are ankle deep in this case. More feet would just make thing more difficult.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: MichaelF (FPIE) on August 07, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
They will figure it out, hard work and perseverance.  Just keep putting one foot in front of the other so to speak.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ellie on August 07, 2008, 03:40:32 PM
Maybe it was a bunch of cult sacrifices.....did they say if it was mostly the right foot or the left?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Tim on August 07, 2008, 04:50:43 PM

I think it was mainly the right foot.

They made a movie about the left foot.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: johnny on August 07, 2008, 05:37:36 PM
ok you all and your foot puns are making giving me foot envy so I thought I'd just post up some odd foot stories ;) Articles are in the links.

The sharks figured out how to take over mankind but are still in the beginning stages:
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/malaysian-fisherman-reels-in-shark-with-webbed-feet/ (http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/malaysian-fisherman-reels-in-shark-with-webbed-feet/)
(http://xenophilius.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/shark_web_feet.jpg)


God has one sick sense of humour or scientifically it's a medical dilemma but at least this woman seems to be doing ok with it. Those feet they found floating weren't backwards and upside down or anything were they?
http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1157-Backwards-feet.html (http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1157-Backwards-feet.html)
(http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/backwards_feet.jpg)
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Tim on August 07, 2008, 09:48:50 PM
AHHHH!

If I had feet like that....

Where's the knife?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Kristen on August 09, 2008, 02:11:57 AM
Isn't that a form of club foot?  My husband was born with a mild case of club foot and had to have a casted bar between his feet for a period of time.

Did you see the 'camel girl'?  That to me was uber creepy looking...like something out of a creepy movie.  That had to be hard to live with, being so different.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Brian Johnson on October 08, 2008, 10:05:11 PM
Has anyone heard anything about this lately???
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: Kristen on October 13, 2008, 03:06:49 PM
I haven't seen any updated articles on the subject, but here is a video from a video journalism webiste
http://www.vancouveriam.com/videos/4f290ae1c050 (http://www.vancouveriam.com/videos/4f290ae1c050)
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on October 13, 2008, 06:08:15 PM
Wow, that was an awesome video. Thanks for sharing that with us, Kristen.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Brian on November 14, 2008, 04:01:05 PM
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, another detached foot washed ashore on the West Coast since the first grisly discovery a year ago. The left foot New Balance running shoe, thought to be a woman's, has been turned over to the Coroners Service of British Columbia, so that any residual tissue inside the shoe can be processed for DNA.

Here's a link to the story:  http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=1a32ca6f-af2a-4381-a462-31baf01cdd47
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Jason on November 14, 2008, 05:07:58 PM
Wow,

I was totally unaware of this story! What strikes me as most odd is the fact the feet became detached due to "Naturally processes" as if it were some type of sick "Got Milk" commercial.

I just imagine a TV commercial with a guy walking down the street, his feet fall off, and two kids inside a nearby house look on in horror through their kitchen window as they feverishly gulp down their milk.

Another thing that strikes me is the type of running shoes found. I'm in to running and see a lot of different running shoes. All the shoes I've seen in the videos look like pretty top of the line running shoes. And those aren't the type of running shoes people buy and wear around the house or go fishing with. They are very light, become very uncomfortable when wet, and are not very durable so not well suited for uses other than running. This sure has all the trappings of serial killer. But I think it's good the police are keeping an open mind since there are so many unknown variables.

I wish I were working this case. I love a puzzle. But my heart goes out to the victims and their familys and surely hope police come up with some answers soon.

Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Tracy on November 15, 2008, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: PPI Jason on November 14, 2008, 05:07:58 PM
Wow,

I was totally unaware of this story! What strikes me as most odd is the fact the feet became detached due to "Naturally processes" as if it were some type of sick "Got Milk" commercial.

I just imagine a TV commercial with a guy walking down the street, his feet fall off, and two kids inside a nearby house look on in horror through their kitchen window as they feverishly gulp down their milk.

Another thing that strikes me is the type of running shoes found. I'm in to running and see a lot of different running shoes. All the shoes I've seen in the videos look like pretty top of the line running shoes. And those aren't the type of running shoes people buy and wear around the house or go fishing with. They are very light, become very uncomfortable when wet, and are not very durable so not well suited for uses other than running. This sure has all the trappings of serial killer. But I think it's good the police are keeping an open mind since there are so many unknown variables.

I wish I were working this case. I love a puzzle. But my heart goes out to the victims and their familys and surely hope police come up with some answers soon.



Jason - that "Got Milk" scenario is quite the visual.  It's disgusting yet oddly amusing at the same time.  i guess that says a lot about MY warped sense of humor?

Having read all of the instances of finding these feet, have me thinking that some may be the work of a serial killer, but I also wonder how many may be copy cat crimes or even hoaxes.  They have found at least one instance of a hoax, if my memory serves me correctly.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Karl on February 06, 2010, 10:51:11 PM
I know this is an older topic, but youl'll never guess what I watched tonight during my dinner:  A Nat. Geo. Explorer episode on this very topic about the seven disembodied feet that washed ashore in Vancouver, B.C.  I know, I know--staying in on a Saturday night to watch esoteric forensic documentaries before taking my weekend bath means I have officially turned into my father, but it was actually interesting enough to save on my DVR.

Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ljiljanac on February 06, 2010, 11:11:22 PM
I take it they never solved this one?
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: PPI Karl on February 06, 2010, 11:14:03 PM
The salvageable DNA did not match any of the DNA in their missing persons data base, but I think they cross-referenced the DNA of some relatives of missing individuals who were strong candidates and may have solved one or two.
Title: Re: Floating Feet
Post by: ljiljanac on February 06, 2010, 11:17:35 PM
Wow.  I don't know that I would really find any kind of closure if the medical examiner gave me a family member's foot as "the body".   :-\